Lit Discussing Vima Sunrider and where she hid during the Dark Wars

So how long did Nomi Sunrider live before the Kotor games and the Old Republic MMO take place?

 

About forty years before KOTOR, and about 360 before SWTOR.

 

Ah finally this topic is live! The wait was killing me

Well here are my add ons:

1)
The Sunrider Legacy is manifold. From Naboo, Renatasia, Grizmallt and Grissmath or Nam CHorios. After millennia, they needn't be redheads anymore (sadly) but they might be.
We have confirmed lineage to the da Boda line of Old Vima and her daughter Neema da Boda. Yet we do not know where the da Boda line came from, be that Naboo, Centrality or else. In older headcanons and speculations I connected the Sunrider/da Boda line to Dathomir and/or Hapes even. And if going extreme even to the mystery parentage of Mara Jade.
Aside Palpatine, Naboo also got a redheaded Handmaiden in Eirtaé.

2)
In light of unpublished novel Mandorla about Nomi and Vima Sunrider during the Mandalorian Wars, one might wonder if the male scoundrel character created for it was in any way intended as romantic partner for Vima and if that may have tied somehow to her later fate as Mother Vima. I also speculated once that the Mandorla plot got recycled into the KOTOR comics with Zayne Carrick maybe. There are strong similarities if one replaces Nomi and Vima with other characters.

3)
So Grizmallt Dynasty from the Core = Grissmath Dynasty of Meridian Sector? Thx to an encyclopedia mistaking one for the other it is now fact.
From Wook: "Nam Chorios: About 752 BBY, the planet was colonized by refugees from Meridian. The Grissmath Dynasty of Meridian founded a penal colony on the world around 700 BBY. The Grissmaths introduced drochs to the planet in a failed attempt to kill the prisoners."

Maybe the Grizmallt Civil War was about the throne and succession given the Queen was dying and depending on if she had children or not, the Houses battled for the throne while she already lay in her deathbed? Or she was ill, if dying young. Vima originally mediated but all escalated into war and then she helped to take the Queens family and friends to a colony as other parties settled the Meridian sector f.e. with a more cruel Grissmath dynasty? Unless Vima had somehow become the Queen and married into the dynasty, as this nice rpg of @Sinrebirth speculates.
Imagine the Droch being already used by them during TOR era or earlier.. given Nam Chorios is not their original homeworld but they are an immigrated species as per wook and sources! Droch originating from Grizmalt like Killiks do from Alderaan would be interesting.. even if there is a Droch-Killik relation maybe! Paralells a lot of history with Alderaan and its past inhabitants and royal civil war histories as in TOR.
Now that'd be a crisis worthy of a Sunrider, eh? Well, I like Padmé and/or Palpatine descended from a past Chosen One lineage like the Sunriders. But hey, for OneCanon, what does that make Old Vima to Rey or Ken Palpatine?

Well Grizmalt vs. Grissmath could be a local dialect difference... like Palpatine and Pallopides or Fett and Vhett... Solo and Suul...


4)
Got some more thoughts on Vima Sunrider's lineage to Naboo:

I am trying to square the Naboo Sunrider line with the da Boda family history and see where we can find overlap with Palpatines or others.

We know the Sunrider lineage became the da Boda one via Old Vima and her daughter Neema. Old Vima was born 190BBY and like oldest Legends sources Forceusers can reach higher ages than average humans (like in COPL). We have no date for her daughter Neema's birth or death but I assume she didn't have her in her later years. The Ottethan Warlord Neema married died by Old Vima's hand 31BBY only though.

Old Vima is old enough to have witnessed the end of the High Republic and may still have had the luxury of being allowed to have a family even if the Jedi frown upon it but did not yet fully forbid it. She was trained by a male Jedi Master and had a child with someone (a Jedi?) we do not know. And she herself attempted to train Neema instead of giving her to a temple.
If Vima had Neema in her 30s-40s, that'd be 160-150BBY. Did the Warlord kill her shortly before Vima took revenge on him in 31BBY? Or much earlier and finding him to take revenge took decades? Did she age like her mom and actually had decades with the warlord? Neema's story sounded rather like that of a young Jedi apprentice impatient to learn and falling into the wrong group of peers as she and others joined a dark side cult or founded one as lore says she and other rebellious students left the Jedi together.
Which group may that be? Any known from Legends or canon in that timeframe? It's way too late to be Allya's merry band of misfits that ended up on Dathomir. And probably way too early to fit in with Komari Vosa and others.
Agewise, Old Vima is twice Palpatines age. She could be his greatgrandmother or such. But if she had no children aside Neema we do not know of, Neema can be old enough to have had one or several kids that ended up back on Naboo marrying a Palpatine Senior.
And now something fun: upcoming D+ The Acolyte is set approximately in 132 BBY... during the lifetimes of Old Vima and Neema!
While not sure if they will show us Palpatines family before Palpatine, just imagine. If born around the 150s BBY, Neema would be 18-25 years old during Acolyte... the perfect age range for the cast female main lead character actually! And if not Neema da Boda being this lead (they cast a darkskinned actress but nothing says Old Vima and Neema couldn't have been!), maybe this Acolyte has a band of misfits and rogues around her of which Neema could be a part of? The Potentium Heresy perhaps?
Now the story for her remains the same, bad marriage, death etc. but what if she had a child with the warlord and Old Vima got to the child and took it in. But as the Jedi Order went more dogmatic not allowing her to keep or train it, she rather had it raised by someone else than become a Jedi and maybe end up as lost as Neema had been. Did Old Vima give this child to House Palpatine on her homeworld of Naboo? Maybe due to relation to the Palpatines, maybe because they seemed nice back then.
If Old Vima's attempt to kill the warlord failed several times, she might have taken the child and hidden it with the Palpatines so he would not get it back. Later 31BBY only she caught up to kill him. But decades before that already the child might have been safely with the Palpatines.
The child though could be not Palpatine himself, unless Neema was for decades with the Warlord before having a kid, but rather may have been Palpatines mother, if raised not by Palpatines and married into them later only in her own 40s before she had Palpatine 82BBY.
Now such a storied past for his mom, especially with Jedi, Dark Side Cults, Warlords and troublemaking Forceusers, no wonder Cosinga went overprotective of his wife and kinda thought Sheev cursed when he showed Forcelike abilities.


5) Someone (like @Golbolco) needs to do a proper sorted writeup of Vima Sunriders later life. My mind is still spinning in chaotic ways as you can read.

After the events of Redemption we got Mandorla...

Spoiler: Mandorla Intel

I still wonder what Mandorla would have been about specifically. During the Mandalorian Wars for sure and centered on Nomi and Vima, but the title seems to suggest something female-ish Mandalorian as centerpiece.

"I really can't say much. The story develops the relationship between Nomi and Vima Sunrider and involves a resurgent threat from Sith and Mandalorian forces. Plus I introduce a new character that I'm really enjoying, a sort of interstellar scavenger who runs across some artifacts that are a little more than he can handle."
―Alex Irvine[2]

The real world meaning of Mandorla, relevant or not, is italian for almond and refers also to a shape used in medieval religious art, like the gloriole for holy figures and chosen ones, see here:
https://clubjade.net/tentative-title-for-irvines-nomi-sunrider-book/
Though it does sound mighty Mandalorian too inuniverse!

Given resurgent Sith and Mandalorian threats, I am 100% certain Revan would be involved or a cameo. The vanishing of Nomi and Vima might have been tied to this Sith threat in the end and set the stage for Revan and the KOTOR characters taking their palces.

If Nomi hands the Jedi Order to the Council to have some quality mom-daughter adventure time that Vima was severely lacking and complaining about in Redemption, then post Ulic training her, they might take that opportunity to bond again and stumble right into the brewing threat that will soon spill into the Mandalorian invasion and shadowy Sith threat behind them.
The new scavenger character sounds like he could be a love interest for Vima.
And maybe Nomi and Vima retrace Ulics steps somewhat to understand his fall better and with his redemption now, figure out why he and Exar Kun became Sith (aka the spirits handing them the title). This could tie directly into the Kotor Sith said to have been active during the TotJ time along Ulic and Exar Kun like Sion etc.!


Could they have recycled some Mandorla ideas to other characters in the Kotor comic run? I mean, it had scavengers, artifacts that were too much to handle and all that. Just lacking Nomi and Vima..

... followed by the KOTOR comics and Nomi (going by Nomi da Boda for some reason, be that her maiden name or her Jedi name, or another version or marriage name which we do not know yet) and Vima Sunrider/da Boda mysteriously absent from them. Maybe Mandorla spans quite some years in paralell to them. Then we have Vima training Jedi Exile Meetra Surik at some point, as well as Vima somehow somewhere becoming a Mother continuing the lineage.
While connecting her to the Shan family would be nice and a fanvavourite, she does not work as Bastila's non-Forcesenstive mom we met ingame, unless Bastila was adopted. Or Bastila's dad brought a child into the marriage from an earlier entanglement with Vima?
Then Vima somehow during the Dark Wars joins the Grizmallt royalty either mediating the war as a Jedi, helping the colonisation project or by becoming royalty via marriage herself. If she was a Jedi in hiding there, or active, no clue. Maybe both.



6) Now all that's left is resurrect some of my old ideas and posts to have pre-Old-Vima da Boda's involved in Allya's Dark Side cult ending up on Dathomir as well as getting some others entangled in the Hapes Cluster despite its lockdown leaking male pirates. Wait, wasn't there some mysterious Hapan past with Hapan Forceusers and Jedi that kickstarted some Jedi hatred before Nikorish?

Quote from the Matthew Stover Revenge of the Sith Novelisation, by Dooku himself:

Hapan Forcesensitives Dooku knows about, eh? Despite the tight Hapan lockdown during that time? Sure he may just speak in general about places the Jedi could not recruit from, but I smell more to it. Maybe some Jedi/Hapan entanglement in pre-PT times, one which lead to Palpatine's curiosity into Hapes after Dooku mentioned them. Leading to the Imperial-Hapan shenangians COPL hinted at and all the Palpatine/Ta'a chume flirtations the inuniverse gossip press loved and I headcanoned to have lead to something more.



7) Mira... Sunrider? Da Boda?

KOTOR 2's Mira was taken by Mandalorians that raided her home, her parents and what happened to them is unknown. She was a slave then adopted Mandalorian and ultimately became a Jedi under the Exile Meetra Surik in Kotor 2. Vima was 26 years old at the birthyear 3974BBY of Mira... could it be?

Maybe Vima had her with that scoundrel love interest from the Mandorla novel.. but after Mandalorians took her and they could not find her, they went separate ways and later Vima remarried into the Grissmallt Dynasty having more children?

IF Mira ever found out her parentage, she may have taken the last name of Nomi/Vima at that time, da Boda (as per TOR MMO had them change it at some point to Nomi's maiden name). That'd make Mira the da Boda Jedi ancestor then!



So this leaves us with a plethora of Sunrider / da Boda / else lineages... and I didn't even repost/quote all my earlier ideas yet you already know though.

 

Only you, @Sinrebirth

 

I just assumed both mother and daughter died in the very beginning of the Mandalorian Wars. Like, super early. And tragically-----as in, their deaths demoralized the order so much that enough people went "nope we're not going this again, it's been barely a generation since the last war, let the Republic sort this out"

Either Vima somehow had a kid before her death or families named their children Sunrider in honor of her legacy. Or Mira's her daughter, but that would open up a new can of worms.

 

Well, I'm finally getting around to it.

The most direct reading of Dark Empire and its sourcebook implies to me that where Vima Sunrider's da-Boda descendants is not relevant, but rather than the Sunriders account for a sort of Jedi dynasty, a family line that continues to produce Jedi Knights. They may have belonged to a specific temple or faction of Jedi, but I favor the idea that maybe they lived generationally aboard a praxeum ship like the Chu'unthor.

I don't think Mandorla got recycled into the KOTOR comics; it was announced in 2009 and confirmed cancelled in 2012, outside of the range when the KOTOR comics would have initially been developed. An idea I've had previously is that the male character for Mandorla was going to be Bastila Shan's father, who was described in KOTOR as a treasure hunter; this ties into the idea that since the KOTOR developers could not use Vima Sunrider's name for Bastila Shan as originally intended, then maybe they're connected in some other way. Of course, if Vima is Bastila's mother that presents a continuity snag as we meet Bastila's mother Helena in KOTOR; maybe that's an evil stepmother?

This is the assumption I'm going with; after all, doesn't Galactic Basic need to be translated for audiences? Similar names having the same root or translation resolves many problems, for me.

The idea I've favored is that if the Sunrider lineage has modern descendants, they're in the Palpatine line, but that it is a tenuous connection at best. House Palpatine has presumably existed on Naboo since the Grizmalltians arrived; did they later marry into one of Vima's descendants, or did they start out connected? As you point out, red hair does not necessarily need to last in a lineage for 4000 years... although Vima-da-Boda's age is deceptive, given that she is only five (six?) generations removed from Vima, less than Cade Skywalker is removed from Shmi Skywalker.

Anyway: I doubt that Sheev Palpatine's mother is related to Neema and the Ottethan Warlord. I took that story to mean that the Ottethan Warlord quickly tired of Neema and disposed of her, and they probably share no kin. There is always the possibility that Vima-da-Boda had other children, of course. I used to speculate that Vima-da-Boda was herself the Dark Woman from Republic, although I think she gets killed off in a Tales comic...

This point I take issue with the most. I was intrigued by the idea of Mira's "true father" for years, though when I asked Chris Avellone about it he said there were no concrete ideas about Mara's parentage but rather that it was meant to serve as a hook for later plots. But anyway, whoever Mira's father is evidently becomes more important than her mother. What human male is a cold-blooded killer, potentially Force-sensitive, and possibly red-haired? As a side note, I used to believe her father was possibly Mandalore the Ultimate, but her father is unlikely to be a Mandalorian because she herself was taken and enslaved by the Mandalorians. Mira is 23 during the events of KOTOR 2, putting her birthdate around 3974BBY. That's the gap period between TOTJ and the KOTOR comics, so it's hard to pinpoint a candidate. Either way, it doesn't sound like Mira's father could have been the same character from Mandorla, a charming rogue.

My current stance is thus: during the Jedi Civil War and later Purge, Vima Sunrider went into hiding under her mother's maiden name, and ended up becoming a member of the court on Grizmallt in the same way that Kavar hid on Onderon. The Grizmalltian ship Mother Vima feels to me more that the Grizzmalltians are commemorating Vima for her religious status than an actual familial tie. Vima had a child, and maybe we can assume that her line remained female down to Old Vima since all of the significant members of this line are female. Given the lifespan necessary for there to only be five generations in between Vima and Old Vima, Vima herself could possibly have survived all the way to the TOR MMO. Where is she? Kira Carsen, another Jedi redhead from TOR, probably isn't connected because she was born to Sith parents. Is Vima still on Grizmallt, or Naboo or Renatasia or another colony, or did she rejoin the Jedi Order upon the return of the Sith threat?

Yet another possibility is that Vima Sunrider is Vima-da-Boda... Vima-da-Boda is clearly suffering some kind of dementia, so could she be misremembering her own adventures as a youth as stories told to her about an ancestor of hers? Vima-da-Boda is incredibly long-lived, but maybe not 4000 years old... unless Vima had access to carbonite freezing, an oubliette, or maybe just an extended Jedi meditation trance to survive the Jedi Purge? Maybe she sat under an Uneti tree on Grizmallt and hibernated, revered as an idol by the Grizmalltians. This idea I favor the most, because with no trace of evidence existing for a Sunrider line after Vima in TOR and the characters sharing a name and an improbable generational gap, maybe Vima has really been here the whole time. This doesn't negate the possibility that she founded either the Shan or Palpatine lines, or even other less likely candidates (Mira, Daala, the Hapan royal family, Aurra Sing), but it does work for me to explain away the most jarring detail of the timeline stretch after Dark Empire was published.

 

This miniatures scenario seems to show Nomi fighting Canderous Ordo on Onderon during the Mandalorian Wars. Apparently the author's said that the minis weren't meant to be taken at face value, but is there any reason that they couldn't have been there?

 

Regarding the five-six generations Old Vima is removed from Vima/Nomi, well there are several ways to resolve this, each though stretching it but possible:
1) Carbonite Sleep or Cryosleep for Hypertravel may account for some timelosses, but that seems unlikely given spacetravel was hardly like that in their times anymore. Unless during the NSW with BoSS shutting down the entire nav-network and services, still that would require all in the lineage to travel a lot instead of staying planet bound or on Naboo.
2) If we assume each generation is forcesensitive (allowing for higher age as possible for Forceusers like Vima or Dathomiri), then it still is a stretch. approx. 4000 years divided by 6 generations still means around 600-700 years of age per generation! And requiring no premature deaths due to any war or else. Star Wars always was lazy with the definition of "generation". Like the 1000 vs. 25000 years ago interpretation of ANHs quote "for over a 1000 generations", that OT Legends and PT Legends took different timespans for to account for Lucas version.
3) A major hyperspace mishap transplanting someone 200 years into another future time is canon. And we had some supernatural shenangians in classic/marvel SW that likewise involved timetravel. Could it be that the da Boda line, as Forceusers and Jedi, encountered supernatural beings and either had been granted longlivety as a reward for whatever deed against the dark, or were transplanted forward in time by a few thousand years like bypassing the NSW entire thx to celestial help? Darth Rivan's timejumps, Seth Harths timejumps thx to the Darkstaff and the Cularin systems dis-and reappearance kinda spring to my mind for likewise scenarios on a larger scale.

I think I prefer a combination. Definitely something supernatural for a bigger (2000-3000years) timejump, paired with dathomiri longlivety and Forceuser longlivety for the rest. Seems Revan, Exile and many others stories that TOR continued centuries later is outclassed by the Sunrider/da Boda line skipping millennia. But hey, Arden Lyn, Celeste Morne and others did it too.

I agree that Mother Vima sounds like a spiritual title more than royalty. And the backstory of a famous Jedi Master blessing the trip, joining it or not, I think implies the Jedi to be separate from royalty but joining the journey. But if she is said Jedi AND a ship named after her while alive, she must be a serious contributor and not just a guest or protector riding along. The Grizzmaltian ships always to me sounded like a paralell to Christoph Columbus three main vessels sailing for India and finding America. With Santa Maria becoming Mother Vima. Thus a holy title. Maybe not Vima joined the trip but the Jedi is her descendant, if the timeline allows that and that that kid is already a Master then. Vima could be dead or alive, royalty or not that way.
I also considered the title of Mother Vima to either relate to Dathomiri "Clan Mother" titles or Hapan Queenmother ones. But the timeline allowing for Vima to be the mother of the Queen is less likely than her being said Queen. I guess Vima became a unifying spiritual leader like Nomi before her in the early wars and somehow had a descendant on the Grizmalltian excursion. Jedi can become a Master young in wartimes after all.
Vima in that regard reminds me of Allana's role in later Legends envisioned by Jacen as a spiritual leader of the galaxy (more likely than a political one).

While equally possible, and I kinda like the Odd Bnar'ish angle to that, this kinda turns her into a mummy, or mummy stereotype. Becoming a living monk, encased in a statue and revered until someone opens it up and awakens her millennia later? Any curse involved? Her meditation guarding anything to warrant her keeping it up? Or just a Jedi returning to deep meditation and transcending time and space with the body becoming a forgotten shell still connected to it? There is real world esoteric precedence for this actually in tibetan buddhism, if one belives it to be true.



The Dathomir Connection strengthens:

I like your idea that Old Vima is Anya Kuro, aka the Dark Woman. Speculated that myself but ended up, thx to her Tales death, to rather consider "The Rancor" aka Ros Lai to be Old Vima. A dathomiri Witch that became a Jedi thx to Quinlan Vos and aided the Jedi in the Clone Wars.
Several points to consider:
-Dathomiri aging and longlivety may fit the da Boda line. Oh and Ros Lai has red hair!
-We know she only caught up and killed the Ottethan warlord that killed her daughter around TPM, after which her story is a mystery. "The Rancor"'s story begins shortly after TPM, disguised as disfigured old woman (like Old VIma? despite her young ageless beauty) when she meets Quinlan Vos. (or the old is her and the young is the illusion, eh?)
Now, one might say she is too young to be her. Or that she became a Jedi later only, not before Quinlan met her.
I counter to that: She always was a Jedi, given her age the Jedi forgot about her or did not recognise her as Vima da Boda was kinda a rogue already when she had her daughter. When she hunted the Warlord out of revenge for her daughter, she went darkside, and afterwards repented as a Nightsister hiding on Dathomir perhaps? And with a new guise, she took the offer to become a Jedi anew after having repented by helping Quinlan?
Now Ros Lai is the daughter of Queen Zalem and an unnamed Jedi who Zalem had killed leading to Ros Lai's resentment for her fathers death. Vima da Boda was trained by a male Jedi Master who gave her his lightsaber! What if that was actually her Father? No wonder she trained her daughter herself likewise then, like her father had. Maybe Zalem had him killed because he had trained her? If growing up on Dathomir, where a stranded Jedi started to train his daughter as a countercult to the darksided witches, it would be no wonder Neema chose the witches and dark side rather and ran off from her own mom. Sent by Zalem maybe offworld to the Ottethan warlord to broker an alliance (he had Rancors after all!!!). Kinda like Talzin had offworld agents and sought to expand. So when Vima da Boda, daughter of a da Boda Jedi Master, whose dathomiri name only is Ros Lai, took off to kill the Ottethan Warlord, she had Jedi training but no membership of the Order proper until afterwards when Quinlan brought her in!
Thus by merging the backstories of Ros Lai and Vima da Boda, the story becomes complete and it fits I think. What do you say?

 

Well if the Council is like its Legends FOTJ counterpart a chaotic mess that does ignore the warning signs... sure she would and take her daughter along "Mandorla" style

Or Vima did throw in with them and Nomi took off to get her back, having to join the fight to get to her?

Who knows if the Grandmaster even was involved with the Sentinnels and artifact hording before that turned on itself later on in her absence?

 

Do we know that she was still Grandmaster by the time of the war?

Nomi's seen her own (and Vodo's) Jedi non-interventionism lead to the Sith War, so I could imagine her wanting to avoid making the same mistake again, even if it didn't quite work out that way.

I like this idea, too - it's a nice parallel with the Da-Bodas' story.

 

I assumed it was a posthumous title of prestige, kind of similar to the Mother of Modern Medicine, which was only attributed to Lacks' after her death, or the "Founding Fathers", which occurred long, long after their deaths. Maybe attributing Vima's name by 3951 was an attempt to legitimize the expedition/Starship? I dunno

 

So, could there be any chance Neema da Boda's child survived the massacre in the arena that ended her? She was pregnant during her feeding to the Rancors as per Old Vima's retelling.

And how does Ashka Boda fit into the family tree?
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Ashka_Boda

He was a contemporary of Qui Gon or far older as he was said to be longlived (kinda like Old Vima), seeking immortality as a Jedi. Died 19BBY in the Jedi Purge and his Holocron ended up with Palpatine and in DE then Leia. In Lone Wolf Kenobi even thinks of him when meeting Old Vima.

Was he Neema's father? Is Vima's longlivety due to his research?

He is no "da" Boda, but only Boda. Is he unrelated thus? Especially if Nomi took the "da Boda" name already or had it as maiden name, and Old Vima being her descendant, that would disqualify Ashka Boda as a "da Boda" unless he is of another lineage than Old Vima but still from Nomi, a lineage that lost the "da" like some families loose aristocratic or other honorifics and retain only the last name.

 

upss i now remember that Bastila mother was in KOTOR so Bastila cant be a Sunrider so i now believe she is Mara Jade ancestor

 

I like to think it was her step mother. It fits their dynamic.

I mean they never say she ISN'T her step mother.

 

I like how years ago we talked about everyone and their mother being a potential mom for Mara Jade... and now we have everyone and their daughter being the descendant of Vima Sunrider.

They could just retcon that Shan is Mandalorian/Mando'a for Sunrider and be done with it... or Shan Mandorla could mean Rider of the Sun/Sunrider. With Nomi going back to her maiden name of Da Boda, and Vima taking her name in Mandalorian rather than basic during the war that made her a famous Jedi Master... I do wonder what happened.

When Grandmaster Nomi Sunrider handed the Jedi to the Council and all stepping back, how smooth did it go? I mean, we see how bad it can go when Luke tried several times in post NJO.
And with Vima a famous Jedi Master who possibly went along with Revan, her mom disagreeing maybe with her actions, did that play into any namechanges? The Sunrider name made famous by Vima discarded by Nomi given her disagreement with its fame for the wrong reasons/actions?

 

It would nicely explain why Bastila is a force-sensitive with a gift of extremely rare and powerful Battle Meditation, while her father was just a treasure hunter and mother was clearly not a force-wielder.

 

Indeed, that or adoption could work. But I like Vima trying to give her daughter a 'normal' life, only for the force to have other plans.

 

Yes i also think this is a great idea, primarly so that we can have a single family that is basically the Skywalkers of the Old Republic, instead of that role being hastly changed from the Sunriders to the Shans due to a silly lawsuit.

Having a lineage that goes from all the way back in the first TOTJ storyline that is still active in the current SWTOR story arcs is fitting, as the same happens with the Skywalkers, who are the protagonists of "present day" Star Wars from 1977 to this day through Rey Skywalker.