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Do we really know Xim the Despot?

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Darth Guy, Jul 12, 2005.

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  1. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    Every source in which he is mentioned (only a few IIRC) took place over 25,000 years after Xim's defeat-- at the hands of the Hutts, no less. Hutts are notorious for distorting the truth. Could it be that Xim was not a "despot" at all? It'd be interesting to see a "contemporary" source in which Xim is actually a benevolent ruler (perhaps elected democratically) and he is forced to make war because of Hutt expansionism. Xim could be the victim of lies perpetuated by the Hutts and even the early Republic.
     
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  2. Sauron_18

    Sauron_18 Force Ghost star 5

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    Just a stupid Xim question, was he human? If not, what was he?
     
  3. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    I'm pretty sure his species was never mentioned. It's possible they were eradicated by the Hutts.
     
  4. Leto II

    Leto II Jedi Padawan star 6

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    Not much too date on him -- mainly the Daley Han Solo books and the Essential Chrono; he reigned from c. 25,130 BBY to approximately 25,100 BBY, hoarded kiirium and mytag like they were going out of style, and generally counted his chickens before they hatched once too often.
     
  5. TalonCard

    TalonCard •Author: Slave Pits of Lorrd •TFN EU Staff star 5 VIP

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    He has a detailed biography in the Geonosis and the Outer Rim Sourcebook--the author probably took his inspiration from Alexander the Great.

    TC
     
  6. Knight1192

    Knight1192 Jedi Knight star 6

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    If there's a detailed bio in the book, then could you fill those of us without the thing in TC? Beyond Han Solo and the Lost Legacy, the Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology, the Essential Guide to Droids, and the Essential Chronology, I haven't really seen much on Xim or the tech available to him.
     
  7. TalonCard

    TalonCard •Author: Slave Pits of Lorrd •TFN EU Staff star 5 VIP

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    IF?! IF?! You doubt my word?! :eek: ;)

    I'll look it up tomorrow.

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  8. Sauron_18

    Sauron_18 Force Ghost star 5

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    On which planet is it? I have my book here
     
  9. Sauron_18

    Sauron_18 Force Ghost star 5

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xim_the_Despot

    Thats the best I could find
     
  10. TalonCard

    TalonCard •Author: Slave Pits of Lorrd •TFN EU Staff star 5 VIP

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    It's in Desevro. The political state of the early Republic era is dealt with, as is Xim's pirate father, the battles waged by Xim's fleet, and Xim's death on Nal Hutta.

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  11. Senator_Cilghal

    Senator_Cilghal Jedi Master star 5

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    He was definitely human. That's why Skynx was interested in him, a student of pre-Republic human history.
     
  12. Sauron_18

    Sauron_18 Force Ghost star 5

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    Ok, found it, I'll transcribe:

    "The Tion Cluster's history begins some twenty-five thousand years ago with the reign of the ingamous Xim. The future despot began life as heir to the planet Argai. Before his twentieth birthday, he led his father's pirate hands on a war of conquest, seizing a string of systems in lightning-fast strikes.
    No conquest proved more valuable than Desevro, the capital of a faded confederation called the Livien League. -"


    Ok, I better do it in a better keyboard tomorrow
     
  13. LastOneStanding

    LastOneStanding Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I've always imagined Xim to be an Ivan the Terrible or Attila the Hun-type character.
     
  14. GRAND_MOFF_KEVIN

    GRAND_MOFF_KEVIN Jedi Master star 5

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    This is what I want a book series on.
     
  15. KamSolusar

    KamSolusar Jedi Grand Master star 2

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    There's some interesting information in WEG's "Secrets of the Sisar Run":


    Kam
     
  16. Rogue_Follower

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  17. Leto II

    Leto II Jedi Padawan star 6

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    Right there's a bit of the pre-Republic hyperspatial jump-tech needed for Xim's pan-stellar conquests in that era -- the "jump-gate accelerator" (narf -- taken from E.E. Smith's writings and later nipped for Babylon 5, originally built by some extinct advanced race) was undoubtedly a portion of the pre-Corellian version of this, enabling Xim's thirty-year career when it otherwise would've taken hundreds.

    Also, Knights of the Old Republic established that Xim founded the Genoharadan Order, and used the guild as his secret police corps.
     
  18. TalonCard

    TalonCard •Author: Slave Pits of Lorrd •TFN EU Staff star 5 VIP

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    So, wait, why would Xim's secret order later become the Section 31 of the Republic? Doesn't make much sense...

    From GATORS, page 35:

    The Tion Cluster's history begins some twenty-five thousand years ago with the reign of the infamous Xim. The future despt began life as heir to the planet Argai. Before his twentieth birthday, he led his father's pirate bands on a war of conquest, seizing a string of systems in lightning fast strikes.

    No conquest proved more valuable than Desevro, the capital of a faded confederation called the Livien League. The Desevars saw the best and worst of Xim. Deservo's janissaries joined the despot's armies on rampages that stripped whole planets of life and wealth, while its administrators fanned out through the deliverer's worlds, forging his possessions into an empire. When the Exansionist Period ended ten years after Desevro's conquest, Xim's Empire streatched from the Maw Cluster spinward to the Radama Void.

    Xim's obsession with the yong Hutt Empire doomed him. In the twenty-fifth year of his rule, Hutt warships ravaged one of his expeditionary forces at Vontar in the Si'klaata Cluster. An infuriated Xim vowed revenge, fighting two more battles at Vontar within five years. In the thire, the Hutts' Klatoonian, Nikto, and Vondran servants destroyed Xim's war droids, while Hutt battleships wrecked his fleet. Xim died a slave in Kossak the Hutt's place on Nal Hutta. A century later, the heart of Xim's empire broke into fueding states, among them the Kindom of Cron, the Jaminere Marches, the Indrexu Confederation, the Keldrath Alignment, the Thanium Worlds, and the Honorable Union of Desevero and Tion.



    The article goes on to say that the Tion states were visited a millennium later by a young Republic...

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  19. Starkeiller

    Starkeiller Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Xim being a human is utterly stupid. What source estabilished this?
     
  20. Sauron_18

    Sauron_18 Force Ghost star 5

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    He is from the Tion Hegemony, which I believe are xenophobic humans, but I dunno, I just put what I found in Wikipedia (which is not always reliable but most of the time yes). I always thought he was human.
     
  21. Starkeiller

    Starkeiller Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    So, two separate civilisations of humans lived at the same time at opposite sides of the galaxy without knowing about each other? Yeah, right... [face_tired] o_O

    And how many humans are supposed to be in that galaxy after all?
     
  22. Le_Sammler

    Le_Sammler Jedi Youngling star 4

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    That is a very interesting take on Galactic History. History is always written by the victors, and the Hutts did defeat Xim the Despot. Perhaps in reality, it was reversed... perhaps Xim was a benevolent, wise, compassionate leader, and that the Hutts were the evil ones! :)
     
  23. AdmiralWesJanson

    AdmiralWesJanson Force Ghost star 5

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    I see Xiz as sort of an Alexander figure. A ruthless conquerer, yes, but also an empire builder.
     
  24. Gladiuus

    Gladiuus Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Starkeiller posted on 7/15/05 5:35am
    So, two separate civilisations of humans lived at the same time at opposite sides of the galaxy without knowing about each other? Yeah, right... [face_tired] [face_raised_brow]

    And how many humans are supposed to be in that galaxy after all?
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    Humans are spread all around the galaxy, even prior to hyperspace travel-- presumably via generational colony ships that were launched eons ago and forgotten about. There are lost colonies of humans all over the place, including deep in the outer rim and even in the unknown regions.
     
  25. Fist_of_Mandalore

    Fist_of_Mandalore Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I thought that generational colony ships was just some fan-fic stuff. Appears I was wrong[face_thinking]
     
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