Do you believe Kreia is Arren Kae?

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Do you?

 

I believe she was certainly intended to be at first and the Handmaiden/Luke, Traya/Vader familial relationship parallels stood out for me.

Whether or not she remains so has yet to be seen, though considering the Handmaiden no longer really plays any part in the story of KotOR II, I think they're likely to ignore the possibility.

Either way, I certainly do not think that she is "Kreia". "Kreia" is an invention, and I think it's likely that she was using the mind whammy on the Exile to make her forget who she was...

 

No.

Regardless of how many arguments the proponents throw in.

 

I would put Krynda Draay before Arren Kae as a Kreia, but her being Arren Kae would be fine too.

 

I find it tremendously unlikely Kreia would ever be married or give a rats anyx about her husband if she was.

The mourning woman as Kreia doesn't make sense to me.

 

People change, tremendously. Many a bitter old, unattractive person has been quite different in their youth. What happened to Krynda during the Great Sith War and then the apparent destruction of Covenant, and fall of Revan - if Revan was her pupil - and likely death of Lucien(of whom she does not care much, the only living relative she has she neglects because of the memory of dead relatives) could easily explain how Kreia came to be.

And then frankly, what we know about the marriage of Krynda? What happened between Arren Kae and Yusanis seems to have been a real love story, high passion, and a true tragedy; Krynda might have had much more "normal" marriage. Also, even persons who are not so nice and caring do marry and have feelings toward their spouses. We could also ask how much Krynda really mourns her husband and sister and how much her actions are result of the fact that she was not up to the task as a Consular and a seer - as she sees their task - as Exar Kun fell? We do not know.

 

Krynda as Kreia doesn't work, as Revan is supposed to be her first ever student, whether or not they retcon her to be Krynda is another matter entirely.

Arren Kae as Kreia does work, but it's not neccessarily the truth.

 

I thought it was the other way round: she was supposed to be his first ever teacher.

 

Sion: She seeks to train one as great as her first

 

Not necessarily her LAST

 

... uh.... what?

Sion is clearly referencing Revan there, which would indicate that Revan was her first student. I... don't know why her last student has anything to do with it.

 

Uhhh because who cares about Revan?

The point is that she had other students.

 

It seemed so, when I played KOTOR 2 for the first time.
But then it became official that Exile is female by canon. And as playing with female unables the player to get Handmaiden as a party member, the story of Arren Kae remains hidden and it is even questionable if it is canon.
However, the story of Kae as Revan's master and the story of Kreia in the same role do have some parallels. But many things can happen in comics. Maybe even Lucien's mother will turn out to be Kreia as someone mentioned.

 

The question I pose is...The Handmaiden bares the face of her mother, which many children do, as well as their father. So my question is...Does the Handmaiden look like Kreia to you? Also, doesn't Kreia remind you(looks wise)like a female Master Arca, given the eyes?

 

It is hard to be sure, since both of them are computer-made characters, but I don't think Brianna is similar to Kreia.

 

I wonder if she was a genetic replica of her mother and all the others were clones.

 

I know. Which is why I found the point so confusing... I didn't ever challenge it. I said "first ever", not "Only ever"...

 

No, I do not.

 

Interesting theory.... I completely forgot about Arren Kae. Had to look her up on the Wookiee.


In reality though, Kreia seems a little too old to be Brianna's mom. Not to mention the two don't interact a whole lot in the game.

 

I truly believe that Krynda=Kreia. The KoToR comic is building Krynda up and making her too important to just be "Krynda Draay"....not to mention the entire Second Sight thing. There are some aspects that don't line up but her obsession with the "Second Sight" goes a long way to explaning why the woman would let her eyes atrophy. That and she is certainly A. Walking down a path that is likely to get her exiled by the Jedi and B. Associating with people who are likely to become Sith.

My biggest problem with Kreia=Krynda would be that it seems the bitter mean crazy Kreia we all grew to uhm...love in the video game would have gotten that way because she lost her husband in the Sith War. That doesn't add up very well. Of course, she seemed to be pretty much against "Love" or even passion (In a sexual sense) so I guess that could be the beginning of it.

I know there are a lot of people that say "Why does everyone in the comic have to be someone? Why can't the characters just be new characters?" This is true, but Kreia/Sion/Nihilus/Revan/Malek are far too big of players to be completely avoided by the comics. The positive thing is that Zayne is likely to just be Zayne. I'd be pretty happy if they continued to lay out the history of the big guys as a backdrop to the story about a goofy, somewhat clumsy Padawan. I do have to say that if Zayne becomes Revan or something I would probably burn my comics.

Carnage

 

QFT.

Except.... if Zayne's clumsiness grew to such an extent that he became Darth Nihilus the Annihilator.

Gryph: Kid! You just destroyed that entire planet!!!
Zayne: Oooops...

 

Is he channelling the spirit of the nine-year old Anakin too?

"I actually saved the planet... mostly..."

Oh yeah, another reason for believing Kreia is Arren Kae is that, well, Arren Kae otherwise makes no appearances in KotOR and is the only newly created character with any real importance (trained Revan for a time) that doesn't. I think someone should ask Avellone as to what the original intentions were, as to me Kreia/Arren Kae was screaming itself from the rooftops.

Kreia: She was... said to be... beautiful and strong in the Force", maybe the voice actress put too much into it, but it was like "ok, she's you" to me.

Considering Atton's emphasis at the beginning that Kreia "might'a been good looking once" as well...

I dunno, it just seems that Kae + Traya = Kreia. (Which can be arranged to say I R Kae )

CUT dialog also indicates that when other characters spoke about Arren Kae in Kreia's prescence, they'd have trouble remmebering her. Of course, the dialog has been cut and makes no appearance in the game but still, it's a further plus point for the idea that originally Kreia=Kae.

If Krynda is Kreia it's gonna require retconning, which is gonna make me groan... I was pretty sure Kreia was quite anti-miraluka too, but I might be remembering things wrong.

But seriously, if Krynda IS Kreia, and Lucien IS Sion... bloody hell.

 

Well, Revan allegedly had "Many Masters" so if Arren Kae is one of say....8...they may not feel the need to mention her...as the others probably will not be mentioned either.

I was thinking that after Q'nalia mucks things up Krynda would have a reason to dislike the Miraluka.

I don't really see the immense retconning nightmare that would be caused by Kreia=Krynda. I see problems arising out of Kreia=Kae. Echani "Honor the face of their mother". This would force us into a situation where Kreia is Echani, and where the Handmaiden should look like Kreia. I don't really think either of these are true although it is hard to tell with a video game, aging, and the toll the dark side took on Kreia.

Carnage

 

She is more important than just Krynda Draay. She is the Jedi Associate, the creator and leader of the Jedi Covenant.

As for Brianna, her story is a complete mess at this point, and always was. Her model is identical to those of the other Handmaidens (in fact, it's the same model, only in the "hood on" mode). Yet she is supposed to look different because she had a different mother...