Do you forgive Anakin?

Anakin/Vader murdered millions of people!!! Countless were probably tortured and robbed of their lively hood in the Sith conquest of the galaxy. Then at the end of ROTJ, Vader saves his own son from the emperor (who wouldn't?) and then on his deathbed (as Luke removed his mask), declares that he had been wrong. And this gets him into Jedi Heaven with Obi wan and yoda??? I, for one, don't forgive Vader and don't see how he got into Jedi heaven. How convenient that he decides he was wrong a few seconds before he died. And then there's that scene where he appears with yoda and obi wan, all smiling and happy... I just want to punch that guy in his glowing blue face!

Does anyone else feel this way? If not, how can you fogive a guy that murdered millions and then kinda admitts he was wrong right before he dies???

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I certainly forgave him. Not only did he kill the most evil man in the galaxy, aid the Rebellion toward the eventual destruction of the the Empire, and "free all the slaves" like he said he would in Episode I, he served his purpose. He brought balance to the Force.

And think about it...how many of those deaths was he REALLY responsible for? We don't know yet how many Jedi he personally kills during the purge. Tarkin ordered the destruction of Alderaan, not Vader. Vader was merely following orders. For example, Nazi soldiers were just following orders, going by what was considered right in their country by their leader.

 

He didn't "kinda" admit he was wrong. You can't "fool" the Force... either you are totally repetetant, or you don't get redeemed... simple as that. He was obviously coming fully back to the light side of the Force, or else he wouldn't have been redeemed.

Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone...

 

To me, the moment Luke cuts Vader's hand off, I start to feel pity for Vader, as he is reduced to leaning on the railing, struggling to get up and breathe. Then, te man who manipulated him so much performs one more act (attempting to kill Luke), and Vader finally realizes what a pawn he's been to Palpatine, he turns on his master. Then, when he is unmasked, you see a man with no color to his face and is covered in scars. He can barely speak (because he is on the brink of death), but gives Luke one last smile before passing away. That moment of Vader's weakness just makes you feel sorry for the guy (hopefully EpIII will justify this).

 

I forgive him, especially having seen his path to darkness.

And so far we haven't seen him kill millions of people. I don't think he went and killed every Jedi all by himself. There was that nice big army to help him out.



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From what I have seen so far, I can't forgive Vader. Maybe if when I see episode 3 I will change my mind!

 

I kinda don't forgive him, he was the bad guy who finally got his comeuppance at the end. Of course, how he becomes Vader in Ep3 might (and probably will) put a new spin on things tho. I'll wait until May next year for my final judgement.

 

I do. In the films we see Vader kill just as many Imperials as Rebels.

It was the destiny of the Chosen One to fail to the darkside, then and only then, could he destroy the Emperor.

 

NO!!

Okay, he EVENTUALLY saw the light, but only coz Luke was a stubborn old so and so! In ESB he was perfectly content to take his son under his wing and continue his reign of terror as the suprememruler!!

So...he may have redeemed himself in terms of karma but it's appropriate that this action brings about his death....he needed to be punished for his crimes and to let the universe be reborn without his evil influence.

 

No, I don't forgive Anakin. From what I've seen of Anakin, I hate him even as a little boy.

As for what he has done, there is no forgiveness for that. Let us all forgive a man who kill trillions of individuals either by his own hand or permitting his subordinates to do it. A man who would enslave an entire race of people and use their children to operate as his personal assassins. How can one forgive a man like that?

 

I forgave him back when I saw ROTJ.

Then again, that may be partly because Vader was my favorite character, so it was easy for me to be happy with whatever he did.

 

No. The bastard made us sit through his lousy pick up lines.

 

Oh come on.......he's not that bad a guy......once you get to know him.

 

I will never forgive him because HE killed the Emperor!

 

So far in the films, we've seen Luke kill more people than Anakin/Vader.

 

Yes, but he helped the Empire hunt down and exterminate the Jedi!

(At least, from a certain point of view...)

 

I would forgive Anakin since he was tricked by Palpatine the whole time.

 

I forgive Anakin. Anything can be forgiven. You don't have to like a person to forgive them. You also don't have to trust them after you have forgiven them. You especially don't have to condone what they have done to forgive them.

To put it in perspective, Hitler and all his cronies could easily be forgiven for their actions (if they chose to ask for forgiveness). However, they would still have to bear the consequences of their actions.

The same applies to Anakin.

 

Seriously, like I said, Luke killed more people on screen than Vader. Luke blew up the Death Star. How many of those troops were actually bad people? How many do you think were clones and conscripts who were just wanting to make something out of their life by serving in the military? How many do you think were forced to work there? I doubt that very many of the "little people" had evil intentions in their hearts.

And they were destroyed by Luke.

And then the same thing with the 2nd Death Star, except it wasn't Luke. So Lando and Wedge have killed much more people on screen than Vader as well.

 

Seriously, like I said, Luke killed more people on screen than Vader. Luke blew up the Death Star.

I was always under the assumption that the empire was evil and the rebellion was good. I guess in the age we live in, there's no such thing as good and evil, only points of view? Is this was most star wars fans think?

So, using that logic, shouldn't the emperor have also appeared with yoda and ben at the end of ROTJ??? Perhaps Lucas should add this to the Ultimate Editions? Maybe ben, yoda, and anakin could point at him and laugh and the emperor could smile and shrug as if to say "can't blame a guy for trying". Then cut back to the shot of Luke smiling.

 

I know exactly what you're saying. I'm just going by the logic of "OMG VADER KILLED PEOPLE HE IS EVIL I DON'T FORGIVE HIM" and using it against them. If Vader killed a bunch of innocent people, Luke sure killed a lot more.

 

Yes, Luke blew up the Death Star, but that was a military target. There is a difference between killing military target and killing an innocent civilian. Besides, I'd argue that Alderaan had more people on it than the DS did.

Now before one says that Vader did not order the destruction of Alderaan, he certainly could've stopped it. He was the Emperor's second in command and Tarkin was Vader's subordinate. So any action that Tarkin takes Vader is accountable for. So while Vader did not order the planets elimination, he could've done something to prevent it or at the least punish Tarkin somehow.

 

Yeah, I think Vader was happy to destroy Alderaan. I would love to see a scene added to the Ultimate editon that showed darth vader laughing right after Alderaan blows up. I already picture him smiling behind his mask while leia begs tarkin not to do it.

 

He was the Emperor's second in command and Tarkin was Vader's subordinate.

Then why was Tarkin able to order Vader around, and Leia said Tarkin was holding Vader's leash?

 

Yeah, I think Vader was happy to destroy Alderaan. I would love to see a scene added to the Ultimate editon that showed darth vader laughing right after Alderaan blows up. I already picture him smiling behind his mask while leia begs tarkin not to do it.

Especially because we've already seen from Obi-Wan's reaction that a user of the Force, which depends on life, is so thrilled by the destruction of the very thing that gives them their strength.