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Does C3PO know that Analin Skywalker/Darth Vader is his father?

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Robimus, Oct 20, 2008.

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  1. Robimus

    Robimus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Just wondering? I seem to recall that Luke was pulling some memories of Anakin and Padme from R2D2 in the one series, Dark Nest maybe?....Anyway, did they ever think to clue in C3PO that he was constructed by Anakin Skywalker or is he still wandering the galaxy in ignorance? Maybe Luke and the gang don't even know..........

    Anyone notice the answer to this important question in any of the novels or comics?
     
  2. LukesDestiny

    LukesDestiny Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Didn't C-3PO (and Artoo possibly) get his memory wiped after RotS or a little after? If Artoo didn't get his memory wiped, he could possibly still contain what he had seen when he was introduced to 3PO by a young Anakin.
     
  3. Scarran

    Scarran Jedi Youngling star 1

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    IIRC Threepio stated that he knew Anakin was his creator in the Union Miniseries but that came out before the release of ROTS.
     
  4. BobaMatt

    BobaMatt TFN EU Staff star 7 VIP

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    Easy fix: Vader himself says it in that Tales comic.
     
  5. rumsmuggler

    rumsmuggler Chosen One star 7

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    I'm sure that R2 mentioned it to him after a while, when it was safe to do so, since R2 didn't get a memory wipe.
     
  6. EECHUUTA

    EECHUUTA Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Can a driod have a father? I thought they would just call someone who built them their creator...
     
  7. rumsmuggler

    rumsmuggler Chosen One star 7

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    Maker = father/creator in this case..
     
  8. GuNgAnFaN3090

    GuNgAnFaN3090 Jedi Knight star 5

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    I thought artoo and 3P0 both got there memories wiped. At the end of ROTS don't they give the droids to the rebels and tell them to wipe there memories?
     
  9. Plaristes

    Plaristes Jedi Master star 4

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    Vader tells Threepio in "Vader vs. Artoo and Threepio." :p
     
  10. TheRedBlade

    TheRedBlade Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Organa tells Antilles to give the protocol droid a memory wipe. Nothing is said about R2, but the implication, as I read it, is that he was left alone. His behavior in ANH actually makes a bit more sense in this light.

    Also, there's a bit of dramatic irony in it all: the only character that knows everything can't speak.
     
  11. neo-dragon

    neo-dragon Jedi Master star 3

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    R2 didn't even tell Luke and Leia about their mother for decades after it was safe to do so. He didn't get a memory wipe, but I think he was blocked from accessing/revealing information about Luke and Leia's parents.
     
  12. Manisphere

    Manisphere Jedi Master star 5

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    I'm not sure if he really was blocked or if this was a ploy by Artoo himself to prevent Luke from learning about the last moments of both Padme' and Anakin Skywalker. Yeah Artoo had to be sliced but something tells me if he wanted to Artoo had access to everything he ever experienced.
     
  13. neo-dragon

    neo-dragon Jedi Master star 3

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    I think it was actually blocked because it really doesn't make sense for him to resist revealing that information as hard as he did. Heck, he was with Luke during that wild goose chase in the BFC. Would he really have let Luke risk his life if he could have told him that he was being played?

    It would also explain why he didn't get a memory wipe. R2 units can apparently be used to store military secrets (like the Death Star plans), so they must be designed to keep information very secure, probably to the point where they are incapable of willingly revealing it.
     
  14. rumsmuggler

    rumsmuggler Chosen One star 7

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    I read those novels, so I know that already bud..
     
  15. Darth_Carl99

    Darth_Carl99 Jedi Youngling star 2

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    So did I abnd it's made very clear that R2 kept it secret of his own violition to protect Luke from the truth.

    Lke actually has a bit of a conversation about that with him afterwards.
     
  16. Manisphere

    Manisphere Jedi Master star 5

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    To be fair, BFC was written before the prequels. And I don't think that Artoo's memory was kept in tact solely because of his use as a military computer. I think more than likely Artoo wasn't wiped because he unlike Threepio could really keep a secret.(He's famous for it now of course)
    You may be right and Artoo was blocked in some way, but by who and why? The only answer I can think of is what is said in DNT, that the old recordings were jammed or degraded.
     
  17. Admiral_Stone

    Admiral_Stone Jedi Youngling star 1

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    3PO knows that Vader knows his shutdown codes per SOTME, so he probably only knows minimally about Vader and him at that point, though later...

    I'm just wondering who Analin is[face_thinking] :p
     
  18. UnknownRogue

    UnknownRogue Jedi Youngling star 1

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    C-3PO and R2-D2 got regular memory wipes between being owned by a Skywalker. After Ep. 3 C-3PO began getting his and the same with R2-D2, R2 just had those back-up drives that were probably added by Bail Organa. I believe Bail Organa wanted a fail safe because he saw what Palpatine was doing and knew that when he stood against him he would die. He wanted to make sure Leia found out about her ancestry.
     
  19. Nobody145

    Nobody145 Force Ghost star 5

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    Of course, before the prequels came out, as far as anyone knew, Artoo and Threepio had just been wandering from owner to owner together over the years/decades, and that neither of them had had a memory wipe for a while, which is partially why they're both so... unique. I think the old Essential Guide to Characters might've said something to that effect anyway, but that old book is probably long out of print and very outdated.

    Of course, then the prequels hit, and continuity went boom. I know its Lucas' universe, but having a young Anakin Skywalker build Threepio on Tatooine is stretching things more than a bit, at least I thought so. I think the Robot Chicken episode parodied that part of the movie too, come to think of it.

    Anyway, in current canon, I don't think Threepio knows that he was built by Anakin Skywalker, but its hard to tell. Threepio definitely his his memory wiped at the end of Episode III, but don't think Artoo waa, which I found annoying, since that means Artoo remembers the whole prequel era, but just never says anything. if they had both been memory wiped, then that might've made fitting things in with the OT easier.

    Then during the DNT, it was a minor plot point that Artoo apparently had holos of Luke and Leia's parents, and that he knew who their mother was, and according to current canon, had known for decades but never said anything. It took them a good deal of slicing to get to those files, including seeing Padme tragically being strangled by Anakin (or it was a bit off-screen, but I think Luke and Leia got the general idea of what a monster their father was at that point). Then after they see most of it, that omnigate thing gives out, and then Luke is sorta traumatized, right before the coming battle, and then Artoo agrees to show the rest of the holos.

    Its all a bit convoluted, but that's Star Wars canon. When they were watching the holos, I think they noticed that a certain golden protocol droid occasionally blocked their view, and given how annoying the droid was, I think Mara commented that that had to be Threepio, so that sounds like the first time they officially found out that Threepio was around back then.
     
  20. NelanisGhost

    NelanisGhost Jedi Youngling star 4

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    Analin? Are implying something about Anakin? Like he's too uptight or something?

    o_O
     
  21. Robimus

    Robimus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Thanks for the responses. :) I was hoping there may have been something rock solid one way or another from the comics, as I'm pretty familiar with the novels, though sometimes I do miss stuff:p

    It brings to mind some of the behind the scenes stuff featuring Anthony Daniels from the Prequel trilogy.

    "Darth Vader, my father, oh my!"

    We really need to see more of R2D2 and C3PO in future books and comics meesa thinks. I mean R2 survives until at least 140 ABY and beyond, Maybe C3PO is kicking around somewhere as well. The pair have had their own comics and TV series, but now I'm hoping for their own novel, akin to some of their good stuff buring Bantam.:)
     
  22. kttch809

    kttch809 Jedi Youngling star 2

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    This was almost addressed in The Swarm War. When Anakin said farewell to Padme before leaving for Mustafar, Threepio chose that time to have a conversation with Artoo. As a result, when Artoo plays back the scene for Luke, Jacen and Mara, the recorded Threepio's conversation with Artoo obscures the conversation between Anakin and Padme. Jacen asks if it is Threepio, Luke decides that the mystery of the droid's identity can wait until after he finds out what happened to Padme, and Mara later comments that "No other droid is that annoying."

    Threepio didn't make any mention of Anakin in Union and only said that Tatooine was the planet of his "birth". I think that it's conceivable he could be aware of where he had been assembled through official records, but not of who had assembled him.

    That was probably one of the missed opportunities of "The Rise and Fall of Darth Vader". Did Vader recognize the droids' aura and remember a set of codes that he had known of or hardwired into them at a younger age, or was it something else?

    For instance, it could have been that droid manufacturers include these codes in a droid's programming from the start, and they are known by a select few individuals in the GFFA.

    Or perhaps they are configurable and the Devastator had taken a dump of the Tantive IV's computer banks. When the droid duo gained a reputation for being Rebel agents, Imperials searched the archives and discovered their shutdown codes, which they forwarded to the relevant authorities and it just so happened that the Rebels forgot to change the codes... :p

    All said though, the original scenario is probably what happened.

    He stole Luke's lightsaber and at some point he ended up in a cave, his only remaining parts being his head, torso, and a pair of less than intact arms. He was later killed by a Vindar.

    At least according to Tales. :p

    Threepio's memory wipe appears to have failed to erase a couple of things:

    -A note in the section concerning Ben's house in Complete Locations states that "After seeing Anakin's lightsaber, C-3PO's protocol programming requires him to request that he shut down to protect his ex-owner's secrets."

    -A note relating to C-3PO's photorecepters in Blueprints says that a degraded image of young Anakin survived a "memory wipe during the Clone Wars."

    -"Oh dear, I hate sand. It always lodges in my gears." - Ruins of Dantooine. Maybe, maybe not. :p
     
  23. ImpKnight

    ImpKnight Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    That was one of the most interesting tales stories IMO. It would be cool to have that as canon.
     
  24. Tyber_Zahn

    Tyber_Zahn Jedi Padawan star 3

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    He would have been created in a factory originally, Anakin just assembled him from the parts he found in a junkyard.
     
  25. SithStarSlayer

    SithStarSlayer Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    -A note in the section concerning Ben's house in Complete Locations states that "After seeing Anakin's lightsaber, C-3PO's protocol programming requires him to request that he shut down to protect his ex-owner's secrets."

    The bigger question is WHO programmed THAT specific protocol, post ROTS?
    And, how would THAT person know Anakin's saber was still around, or what it looked like for that matter? If 3PO's mind had been wiped, then the droid would have NO image files left either, right?
     
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