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Does Grievous have a mouth and/or vocal cords?

Discussion in 'Literature' started by RogueWompRat, Nov 15, 2005.

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  1. RogueWompRat

    RogueWompRat Jedi Youngling star 4

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    What with his cough and all, I was wondering if Grievous still has a windpipe and mouth attached to his lungs. Also, Kaleesh organs must be pretty hardy, as Grievous jumps out into space with his innards and eyes hanging out. It's interesting to note that his picture in the Visual Dictionary shows him with a "pressurized gutsack" under his ribcage, but from the movie we know this to be not the case.
     
  2. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 7 VIP

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    You can't cough without a windpipe. And actually, the impression I get is that all of his remaining (and exposed) biological parts are pressurized, meaning the delightfully-named gutsack, whatever's left connecting the sack to his head, and his eyes. I seem to remember the novel even mentioning the flesh seen around his eyes as being pressurized synthflesh or something. Just because something's pressurized doesn't mean you can't blow it open with a blaster rifle.
     
  3. BobaMatt

    BobaMatt TFN EU Staff star 7 VIP

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    What good is a pair of lungs without a windpipe? Also, we have no reason to believe that Grievous' voice is not his own, so it's likely he still has an intact mouth and vocal chords, too.
    What do you mean we know this not to be the case? Obi-Wan rips open his chest plate and right inside is a gut sack that, judging by the fact that he didn't explode earlier in the film, was probably pressurized. I'd like to expand on what CooperTFN said: not only does something being pressurized not mean that it can't be shot to hell with a blaster, it actually makes it more volatile. Ever heard of scuba tanks exploding and becoming torpedos?
     
  4. RogueWompRat

    RogueWompRat Jedi Youngling star 4

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    I know what pressurization means. But in the film Grievous' organs are just kicking about in his chestplate (you can see his beating heart through his neck in some shots). Those are some pretty tough internals, not only to survive the vacuum of space but also just hanging around outside a living body. I was also remarking that in the Visual Dictionary his heart/lungs/whatever are not just dangling, they're housed in a rubbery looking sack.
     
  5. BobaMatt

    BobaMatt TFN EU Staff star 7 VIP

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    I didn't mean to imply you didn't know what presssurization meant.

    But, yeah, I didn't think his organs were just out in the open. I got a much more "formaldehyde jar" feel from the whole thing.
     
  6. Master_Keralys

    Master_Keralys VIP star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Indeed - his organs very clearly are in pressurized "sacks" of exactly the sort you're talking about. They have to be; no internal organ can survive externally without a support system - that's why they're internal organs...

    - Keralys
     
  7. jawajames

    jawajames Former RSA // stawars.com contributor star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA VIP

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    it just happens to be a form-fitting slightly-transparent gutsack so that you can see his organs inside. it's like a shrink-wrapping over them to keep them pressurized.
     
  8. BobaMatt

    BobaMatt TFN EU Staff star 7 VIP

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    Actually the official site says they were jars.
     
  9. Zebra3

    Zebra3 Jedi Master star 5

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    From TOS:

    A twisted melding of flesh and metal, General Grievous' body is a deadly weapon forged by the cutting edge developers of the Confederacy. Grievous' living matter was encased within his precision-engineered artificial body; inside the hardened carapace beat the heart of a remorseless killer. A pressurized gut-sack held his vital organs, while his skull-like mask contained his living eyes and brain. Making the horrific amalgam more unpleasant was a persistent wet, hacking cough coming from his ravaged lungs.

    .......

    As Grievous closed to deliver a deathblow, Kenobi opened fire with the blaster. The shots tore into Grievous' open carapace. The blasts cracked the pressurized organ jar, igniting the preservative fluids. Grievous' vital organs exploded in an oily blaze, shooting jets of fire from his helmet's eyeholes.



     
  10. Excellence

    Excellence Jedi Knight star 7

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    The constant use of surnames in ROTS pleased me like a sultan casting an approving eye at today's harem selection today. All SW games, unfortunately, call each other by first. Katarn is not on a first name friendship with that fat Reelo. And Malak's Karath admial kept being called Saul.

    Darth Nilly didn't have the chance to be surnamed either, because we only found out his blasted name minutes before meeting him. Outrage! as Crone says in the Malazan books.

    Maybe the KOTOR comics will background Scion and Nilly!
     
  11. Zebra3

    Zebra3 Jedi Master star 5

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    ... what? :confused:
     
  12. Rogue_Follower

    Rogue_Follower Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Translation: Excellence doesn't like improperly addressed characters (ie, always using full names, or first names in wrong instances.) He is also annoyed that we didn't get much background on the KotOR II villians, and hopes that their background will be revealed later.

    I-)

    Hey, if Kyle Katarn can waltz into Reelo's base, blast some mercs, and proudly announce "wookiee-feet" to a door guard, he can most certainly call Reelo, "Reelo." Mr. Baruk doesn't have that ring to it...
     
  13. Excellence

    Excellence Jedi Knight star 7

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    I . . . said that SW uses too many first names?

    [face_blush]

    Sorry, Zebra; thanks, Rogue Follower, I forgot to clarify: I should have said the only good thing about that Grevious clown was his constant surnaming of people. I was gratified to hear so many Kenobis . . . the same way Gather Hade kept saying "I am gratified" in Doctor Who: The Sun Makers.
     
  14. BobaMatt

    BobaMatt TFN EU Staff star 7 VIP

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    Not everyone has surnames, it would appear. Some creatures may not use them because it is not culturally fitting for them to do so. Many characters seem to only have one name, though: Palpatine, Greedo, Sebulba, Zuckuss, Dengar, Bossk...it may not be universal, this surname business.

    Anyhow, what does this have to do with Grievous' vocal chords?
     
  15. Excellence

    Excellence Jedi Knight star 7

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    To Mothma's spank lap with what alien cultures may not use. I want more surnames in comics!
    [face_praying]
    I accorded something nice about his character . . . which has some relevance to his cords? [face_thinking]
     
  16. BobaMatt

    BobaMatt TFN EU Staff star 7 VIP

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    I'm beginning to like this Excellence fellow...impish...

    Anyhow, yeah Surnames are cool.
     
  17. Rogue_Follower

    Rogue_Follower Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    "Mothma", "spank", and "lap" do not belong in the same sentence, Excellence!

    [face_shame_on_you] :p
     
  18. Excellence

    Excellence Jedi Knight star 7

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    Why, because I'm the only person to say Mothma without her full name in every book, comic and game she's appeared in for 15yrs? The Podracer Xamster Neva Kee is not the only revolutionary. [face_mischief]
     
  19. Rogue_Follower

    Rogue_Follower Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    No, "Mon", "Mothma", "spank", and "lap" don't belong in the same sentence either.

    Oh, nevermind... :p
     
  20. BobaMatt

    BobaMatt TFN EU Staff star 7 VIP

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    Is there a language barrier between us and Excellence? His posts always read like 25% insight and 75% gibberish. His profile says "Australia." So what gives?
     
  21. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 7 VIP

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    I know what Excellence is talking about only by virtue of having a similar complaint myself, but it's hard to focus on the topic (which, really, isn't even the topic) when I'm laughing over the phrase "today's harem selection today".
     
  22. Excellence

    Excellence Jedi Knight star 7

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    While I'm thinking a more modern Tycho icon shows better colour and photographable promise, I'll align to topic and say the contrast of Grevious's lethal manufacture description as posted above conspicuous to his skeletal frame and exposed parts. As Kenobi touched. Different arctic and hostile world climates doesn't damage the exoskeletal organs?
     
  23. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 7 VIP

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    The modern pics all look crappy.
     
  24. Excellence

    Excellence Jedi Knight star 7

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    You're right; none of the Google Image search pics looked too good. How about Dark Woman?

    [image=http://www.wizards.com/global/images/swtcg_article_CharactersDarkWoman_picMain_en.jpg]
     
  25. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 7 VIP

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    Funny; I was just looking at that pic a minute ago. I - hey, wait. Why the hell are we talking about this?
     
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