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CT Does Leia go out of character to murder Jabba?

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by AstroDroid88, Mar 15, 2016.

  1. AstroDroid88

    AstroDroid88 Jedi Master star 4

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    I've always been thinking about this, it seems strange for someone like Leia to go outright and murder Jabba on his sail barge. It doesn't really fit Leia's character to do something like that. Or was that the plan all along? Luke never brings it up to her either, saying that she did the wrong thing by murdering Jabba. Seems like that would go against the Jedi Code?

    Thoughts?
     
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  2. PymParticles

    PymParticles Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Well, Leia was forced to wear a sex slave outfit for Jabba's pleasure. I'd understand any woman in any situation wanting to use the freaking chain leash he had her on to choke the literal life out of him.

    Also, Luke would have no right to lecture her on anything, considering he had her point the huge gun at the deck so he could blow up the entire sail barge. I mean, the whole thing, with everyone in it. Was that necessary? No, probably not immediately. But Jabba made life hell for the people of Tatooine, and Luke probably grew up seeing lives ruined by this scum bag. He also knew that if any of Jabba's reach or influence remained, any of his henchmen, Luke and his friends would always be looking over their shoulders, the way Han was until he actually frozen in carbonite and hung on a wall like a painting. So, really... it was probably for the best. Against the Jedi Code? Maybe, but I doubt such a thing existed in 1983, and given what Jabba put these characters through, I don't blame them for how they dealt with the situation.
     
  3. AstroDroid88

    AstroDroid88 Jedi Master star 4

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    Hmmm.... true, I never thought about him telling Leia to blow up the sail barge. Even though as I recall, he told her to point it at the deck but he was the one that flipped the trigger with his shoe. I've seen that scene like countless times so I pretty much have it memorized. ROTJ is my favorite out of the saga :D
     
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  4. PymParticles

    PymParticles Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Luke nonchalantly kicking the trigger before swinging off the barge with Leia is such a great moment. It's like they took Luke and Leia swinging over the Death Star chasm and Luke destroying the Death Star and mashed them into one exhilarating scene.
     
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  5. DarthCricketer

    DarthCricketer Jedi Master star 3

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    Nah; I think the situation excuses/justifies it.
     
  6. Admiral Volshe

    Admiral Volshe Chosen One star 10

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    The situation definitely justifies it. She doesn't have very many options, anyway, and Jabba was going to end up biting it anyway in most of the scenarios I can think of.

    Plus, Leia is not to be trifled with, as we know from before. She does what is necessary to save herself and her friends/colleagues. Killing a crime lord in order to help save everyone isn't even close to out of character, in my opinion.
     
  7. Mr. Forest

    Mr. Forest Chosen One star 6

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    I have no doubt part of Leia's motivation was personal, but it was also completely logical. Jabba had to die to remove him as a threat from the future, so I think Leia action were justifiable. Besides, no one went into Jabba's Palace with the intention of killing Jabba. It was Jabba's action that lead to his own demise.
     
  8. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    Since when does Leia follow the Jedi Code?
     
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  9. Lt. Hija

    Lt. Hija Jedi Master star 4

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    Reminds me of that discussion from not too long ago where I speculated that killing Jabba the Hutt, in case he was not co-operating, was more than just a Plan B and something they were probably looking forward to.

    Quite possible that prior to their departures an Alliance tribunal sentenced Jabba the Hutt to death. Watching the scene in ROJ it looks as if Bossk departs (Dengar picking him up?) but Leia doesn't seem to be aware of that.

    Rather than to check to see if there are any guards protecting Jabba left, she seizes the opportunity and obviously does not care whether her own life is in danger or not. Almost looks as if she was on another mission, too, and eager to fulfill her mission goal.
     
  10. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I don't think it was the "plan all along," but I think their plans started going awry when Jabba woke up as Leia was taking Han out of the palace. They were improvising from that point onward.

    Leia was never one to tolerate bull**** so if any part of that scenario was "out of character," it was her being enslaved in the first place--BUT it's pretty safe to assume that was out of her control. And her choking Jabba and freeing herself, as well as saving other women on Tatooine a similar fate, was her taking an opportune moment when it came.

    As far as it being "against the Jedi code," Leia was not being trained so it's irrelevant.
     
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  11. Bob the X-Winger

    Bob the X-Winger Jedi Knight star 3

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    Leia was always ruthless towards scum like Jabba or the Imperialists. She does not hesitate to draw fire against Stormtroopers. She knows what it is like to fight day in day out. Taking out a barge full of pirates is just another fun day at the office.
     
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  12. DavidSword79

    DavidSword79 Jedi Knight star 3

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    "Murder" has a specific legal definition. What Leia does is in defense of herself, having been enslaved against her will, and of her companions, whom Jabba has sentenced to death and is in the midst of carrying out his order when Leia kills him. Sounds like the textbook definition of justifiable homicide.
     
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  13. Davak24

    Davak24 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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  14. IamZam

    IamZam Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Pure self defense, no violation of any code. There was no way Jabba would let her go alive, look what happened to Oola.

    She just waited for the right moment, to make sure everyone had a chance to get out safe.
     
  15. unicorn

    unicorn Chosen One star 4

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    Self-defence, he had her chained to him as her prisoner. Plus, he kidnapped Leia's boyfriend, and no one messes with Leia ;)

    Doesn't Luke inadvertently kill a bunch of slaves when he blows up Jabba's sail barge? I'm guessing a lot of those dancer girls like Oola were there against their will...
     
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  16. MotivateR5D4

    MotivateR5D4 Force Ghost star 5

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    It's interesting, I wonder if anybody even realized Leia had killed Jabba so violently, as everybody probably just assumed Jabba died in the explosion. There aren't any scenes after that where she discusses it or is asked about it. I wonder how that might change any of the character's perception of Leia if they were to know what she is capable of. Especially this having been the second time she was captured and held against her will. Would anybody mess with Leia now if they knew how her last captor ended up?
     
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  17. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord 50x Wacky Wed/3x Two Truths/28x H-man winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    Did we see any dancing girls in the Sail barge scenes?
     
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  18. DARTHLINK

    DARTHLINK Force Ghost star 4

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    Um, she's sort of fighting for her life against a slug who wants her as his sex slave and her friends dead.
     
  19. ObiWanKnowsMe

    ObiWanKnowsMe Jedi Master star 4

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    Jabba was a terrible person. Plus she was trying to not get herself killed or her friends killed
     
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  20. Sarge

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    You might make a case for Leia being out of character in waiting so long before she choked him to death. She doesn't have the longest fuse in the galaxy.
     
  21. knuklo-rin

    knuklo-rin Jedi Youngling

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    Lol @ murder during a battle. I respect Leia more for killing Jabba with her hands and not using a blaster.

    Tears for Greedo and Jabba.
     
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  22. Darth Dnej

    Darth Dnej Jedi Master star 4

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    Well, Leia was not following any sort of Jedi Code yet because she didn't even know for sure she was force-sensitive at this point, let alone being trained as a Jedi. I do not define the way Leia killed Jabba as murder. Jabba and his crime operation had likely murdered thousands (if not much more than that) of beings up to this point, and bringing him to some sort of trial would be nearly impossible in the situation. He had to go as far as I am concerned.
     
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  23. DavidSword79

    DavidSword79 Jedi Knight star 3

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    What about all those Stormtroopers the heroes "murdered" on the Death Star? What about all the TIE pilots the Rebels "murdered" in the Battle of Yavin? The AT-AT drivers and officers on Hoth? The 'troopers on Bespin? The Emperor's "best troops" on Endor? Every one of them, murder victims! [face_talk_hand]
     
  24. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord 50x Wacky Wed/3x Two Truths/28x H-man winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    I could imagine lawyers for Jabba's family trying to press charges against Leia, Luke & Han.

    Something along these lines:



    Hutt Space is a sovereign territory, allied with the Empire.
    Hutts are the rulers of that territory- with legalisative, executive and judicial powers.
    Jabba (as shown in TCW) was (after Maul's intervention and the destruction of the Hutt Council) the ruler of Hutt Space, and head of the survivors of the Council.
    Tatooine (Luke being a resident) and Nar Shaddaa are part of Hutt Space (in the EU, Han is a resident of Nar Shaddaa) which makes them subjects of Jabba - and thus, actions against Jabba by them can qualify as treason.
    Jabba tried Han for fraud and treason (failing to deliver spice or corresponding credits) - convicted him, sentenced him to death, and sent bounty hunters after Han, not as kidnappers but as law enforcement agents, to deliver him to Jabba for appropriate execution.
    Vader turned Han over to Jabba's agents, suggesting he respects Jabba's rights as a legal government.
    The carbonited Han in Jabba's palace is the equivalent of a criminal on death row.
    Leia broke Han out, and attempted to leave the palace with him. Not being Jabba's subject, Jabba merely had her restrained (until the Alliance could contact him and attempt to extradite her)
    Luke (Jabba's subject) used mind tricks to get into Jabba's throne room without permission (trespass) then threatened Jabba with death if he didn't turn over his prisoners.
    Jabba sentenced Luke to death. Luke killed Jabba's personal executioner - the Rancor)
    Jabba took the already convicted Luke and Han to the pit of Carkoon for execution.
    When Luke & Han escaped their guards - Jabba tried to order others on the Sail barge to attack Luke - but Leia broke the controls for the barge's window shutters, and then attacked Jabba (who was not actually attacking or threatening to attack her at the time) and killed him - second degree murder.



    Of course, this may be a case of stretching logic to its limit.
     
  25. MotivateR5D4

    MotivateR5D4 Force Ghost star 5

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    However, it wouldn't be all that far from the truth of some of today's laws, where homeowners can be tried and convicted of a number of things, including murder or manslaughter, after attacking an intruder who broke into their home. Not that it's an equivalent comparison to the complexity surrounding the situation with Jabba and Han/Leia/Luke. But the absurdity of such a conviction that you posed is certainly present in today's world.