Does Palpatine intend to have Mara Jade as potential Sith Apprentice?

DO any od you think that Palpatine was going to make Mara Jade a potential Sith apprentice. Was she the next choice if Vader were killed or betrayed him. And also do you think that Mara would be a match for any Jedi. Whether it was infinities or not Palpatine sent Vader instead of her after the Dark Woman. The Dark Woman would make short work of her. Also I can't see her defeating Assaj Ventress, any of the Jedi council members in all the prequals. I could see her beating some Padawans, but Mara Jade before she joins Lukes New Jedi Order is not a match for most Jedi Masters in my opinion. Not because the Jedi are all powerful, but because the Emperor teaches her what she needs to know to take out rivals rather than use Bounty Hunters. She certainly couldn't have killed Skywalker like she was suposed to. What do some of you think?

 

No. She was his assasin. She wished she could have been a Sith. But she was never dark.

 

Yet strangely enough, she appears in the dark side sourcebook...

 

That, and she was one of an endless number of Hands that he had.

 

Besides, there were other, more powerful Hands, Adepts, Inquisitors, Dark Jedi, etc. that he would have likely chosen over Mara.

And assasination and stealth was her specialty anyway, none of Palpatine's cronies were better at it than her.

-Blithe

 

Leland Chee over at Starwars.com just posted a Sith family tree, and specifically said that Lumiya is not a Sith. It seems like a couple of sources got it wrong, like the Gamer magazine.

 

Yet strangely enough, she appears in the dark side sourcebook..

And strangely enough to take the "Emperor's Hand" prestige class, you have to have acquired enough dark side points to be considered "dark"....

Mara is just Asajj Ventress with red hair.

 

Where can i find the sith family tree?

 

And strangely enough to take the "Emperor's Hand" prestige class, you have to have acquired enough dark side points to be considered "dark"....

Read the Mara Jade comic. Issue zero. It's canon. She isn't dark.

Mara is just Asajj Ventress with red hair.

Considering Mara existed about a decade before anyone even thought of Ventress...

Jon
"Marka Ragnos
Naga Sadow
Freedon Nadd
Exar Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma
Rivan
Darth Revan and Darth Malak
Darth Malak and Darth Bandon
Darth Sion and Darth Nihilus
Darth Traya
Darth Andeddu (not sure about timing on this one)
Lord Kaan and his followers
Darth Bane and Zannah
Darth Plagueis and Darth Sidious
Darth Sidious and Darth Maul
Darth Sidious and Darth Tyranus
Darth Sidious and Darth Vader"

That is straight from Leeland Chee.

 

In some her better fantasies. She wasn't gifted enough. She was there all that time, and it was never even a consideration.

That she was ever jealous of Vader at all shows how little she really knew about Palpatine. She has no idea what kind of a person he was. She believes the warped lies he told her. She was never a potential Sith. Even in her age, Mara can't hold a candle to Dooku, for example. She is an average force user.

Palpatine wanted the strongest apprentice possible. Mara was just an agent like many others, who were also expendable. She said it herself, Roganda was back up, and Shira was back up. There were lots of semi talented force users that worked for Palptine, none of which were in line for his apprentice. If so, he wouldn't have wanted Luke.

Mara was right there. It's so funny that SHE claims she was "never dark", when the fact is, she wasn't good enough. She is the only one that says she was "never dark", and it's coming from her. (If asked if she was a lovable people person, she'd probably say she was Miss Congeniality. She thinks quite highly of herself.

Palps wanted Skywlkers (the strongest of the lot), not any of the flunkies he had.

 

Yeah, I would say no on that one.

 

No. Mara Jade was neither important enough nor powerful enough to be a Sith apprentice. But I wouldn't be surprised if they try to push that idiotic notion in a future EU book -- that Mara was "backup" for Vader or something. Zahn's already tried something like that -- saying that she, Thrawn, and Vader were what Palpy used to fill the gap created by the loss of one of Zahn's other characters.

So it's probably only a matter of time before they drop the other shoe and make Mara into Palpy's "Plan B" Sith apprentice should Vader have failed. But of course, at the same time, they'll be insisting that MARA WAS NEVER DARK.

 

Ignites Lightsaber of truth

Mara Jade thinks of herself as Palpatine's daughter but Palpatine used her as a tool. She was an immensely valuable tool because she could be trusted, which is a virtue that none of Palpatine's other tools could really say.

Had Mara Jade more power, she was capable of being a Jedi Knight by her potential certainly, she might have been considered for Sith apprenticeship. However, we know from Jedi: Union what Palpatine's "real" plan for Mara Jade was as she got older and less assassiny.

The female hands were breeding stock.

Roganda Ismaren and Jeng Droga, Jaabib Brandl and Fable, Henithar and his wife, perhaps even Jerec and Sarris were all deliberately put together so that force sensetive children might result from the Union.

Mara's vision revealed that Palpatine intended to have her bear the children of the Skywalker line, probably because she was the most powerful female hand and would be reasonably capable of carrying the blood of Skywalker on.

Ironically, I wouldn't put it past the Emperor that Shira Brie was intended as part of her mission to seduce Skywalker and kill him only after he'd sired a child with her but those sort of things are a tad 'adult' and only in retrospect.

Palpatine had Lord Vader as his apprentice but let's never forget that Dooku was never intended to carry on the Sith Legacy. Darth Maul was the only apprentice Palpatine might have at one point, considered handing the reigns over to and that was because he'd not yet discovered the secret of immortality.

RotS potential spoiler
Of course, because he probably actually DID know the secret of immortality, its more likely he never intended to die in the first place

Below Vader was Jerec, who seems the only actual candidate for Sith after Vader. Palpatine had plenty of Dark Siders though and its clear that he didn't make any of them Sith.

It's why Luminya's claim to be a Dark Lord is illegitimate despite helping in the murder of Palpatine. While tutored by Vader in some Sith magic, she filled a role more like Ventress and some Sith knowledge does not a Sith make.

And let's give Zhan some credit. His original character Kinman Doriana was revealed in "Hero of Cartao" and Zhan good naturedly revealed that he was an idiot with delusions of gradneur. It's quite likely that the Emperor sent him to be killed and Parck was operating off his journals.

 

Charlemagne19 your lightsaber of truth most be broken. As it was Saveric Quest and Roganda Ismaren who had a child. Also Jeng Droga was Palpatine's most loyal servant, he was the host to Palpatine's spirt after the battle of Endor. Untill Pestage seperated them in Palps went into a clone body.

 

*changs batteries*

Sorry, never did get that Star Wars Gamer.

So many important characters are coming from odd places and only with short bits of info about them these days.

I knew I should have stuck with energizer though.

*smacks it*

*red blade shoots out*

Thanks

 

Read the Mara Jade comic. Issue zero. It's canon. She isn't dark.

Guess what? The DSSB is canon. It states, matter of factly, out of universe, that Mara was dark.

Game. Set. Match.

Accept it.

 

Guess what? Mara Jade: By the Emperor's Hand clearly states she isn't dark. It is canon.

Mara Jade is "Neither light nor dark." (direct quote. If I'm slightly off I'm sorry. I don't have it on hand.)

 

The Dark Side handbook didn't necessarily say she was consumed by the Dark Side either. How many Dark side points did she have and was it more than her wisdom?

 

Yay! I love it when two canons contradict each other. The shots fuse in midair and fall to the ground, inert, motionless.

 

May I ask how can someone who was a personal assianen(sp?) for the most evil person in the galaxy not be dark? As that seems pretty dark to me.

 

The explanation that is given is that she performed dark deeds, but she did them because she thought they were the right thing to do, and was serving her master, who she didn't think was evil. So while she certainly wasn't a full Lightsider, she never truly fell to the Dark, because she acted from pure intentions.

I'm a Mara fan, but even I don't like this explanation. I'd say she should be dark anyway, because all the pure intentions in the world don't change the fact that her job was to kill people. And in VotF, Mara expresses a similar reluctance to accept this explanation (which Luke, not her, came up with).

 

Basically,

Palpatine had her kill Renegade Imperials, Crime Lords, and probably lied off his ass when he sent her to kill any force users that were bothering him.

"Yes, Obi Wan Kenobi....eats babies."
"Oh my god!"
"yes, don't bother verifying the information. Just kill him and return."

Sadly, Mara Jade has the exact same story as Jennifer Garner's Alias as her cover for not going dark.

"I thought I was working for the CIA but it turns out I was working for the very people I was fighting against."

Star Wars occasionally walks an interesting line between various genres. The reason Star Wars was such a success was because it seemlessly was fantasy, western, WW2 war movie, and a comedy at the same time.

Mara Jade is basically filling the "spy movie" character role for her part and her justifications are perfectly acceptable in the context of a Spy movie. She had a License to kill for her government and was sent against very nasty people.

Its only that later she finds out her master was the nastiest of them all.

That her morality is not acceptable in say....a fantasy film is just one of those things.

It's why Xizor and Thrawn succeed more than other characters.

Xizor fills the role of a Crime Movie/Bond Villain (which is a genre to itself now) character more than Jabba does.

Thrawn filled the role of the "good Nazi" that you saw in plenty of those films and so did Pellaeon. The man who was respectable and cultured even if he was fighting for the wrong side.

 

Palpatine had her kill Renegade Imperials, Crime Lords, and probably lied off his ass when he sent her to kill any force users that were bothering him.

Uhh. No. You put bad batteries in your saber of truth.

Mara killed anyone the Emperor asked her to. She did it without question and she did it well. But she was not evil. She didn't kill for pleasure. She didn't kill when it wasn't nessissary. She is no more evil than Boba Fett or anyone else who kills for a living. She changed later in life. But she still retains some of her old ruthlessness. She was sent to Jabba's to kill Luke. He is hardly an "evil" person. She probably would have killed him just like he saw in his vision in HttE if she was on the sail barge.

 

Mara killed anyone the Emperor asked her to. She did it without question and she did it well.

Yes, crimelords, Imperials, and probably force senstives. Who the hell else posed a threat to the Emperor? No offense, I don't get what your saying.

But she was not evil. She didn't kill for pleasure.

"Can I kill the Dark woman? Please! Please! Please!"
"No."
"Fooey."

No, of course she didn't.

She didn't kill when it wasn't nessissary.

"I'm ready to kill the Dark Woman! I am!"
"Vader, go kill the most powerful Jedi Master out there."
"Yes master."

She is no more evil than Boba Fett or anyone else who kills for a living.

Oh, that's a big selling point. No more evil than the most ruthless mass murderer outside of the Empire and a disgrace to his fathers legacy alive.

She changed later in life. But she still retains some of her old ruthlessness. She was sent to Jabba's to kill Luke. He is hardly an "evil" person.

He was going to murder the Emperor and take over the galaxy with Darth Vader. How much more evil can you get?

She probably would have killed him just like he saw in his vision in HttE if she was on the sail barge.

Yeah, again, what are you saying?