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Dooku's reaction to Anakin

Discussion in 'Archive: Attack of the Clones' started by Krash, Feb 1, 2003.

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  1. Krash

    Krash RSA Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    After watching AOTC last night, my girlfriend asked me a very good question: What was with the look on Dooku's face (after he cut off Anakin's hand and pushed him to the floor) right before Yoda walked in?

    Depending on how you interpret the moment, he could be tired (after fighting 2 jedi)...sad (over having to "disarm" such a powerful jedi...with potential of the dark side)...or was he regreting having to finish off Anakin (and possibly face his "master" anger)

    What do ya think?
     
  2. darkOmegazer0

    darkOmegazer0 Jedi Master star 4

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    About 2 months ago I thought it was a "plot point" about something in episode 3 like Dooku was the chosen one worshipper or something. If it's not touched up on again I'm sure he's just tired or maybe he didn't want the duel to end that easily.
     
  3. Jedi_Benji

    Jedi_Benji Jedi Padawan star 4

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    he looked pretty tired, maybe he was resting for a second before having to walk all the way over to the pile of bodies, and maybe he was upset about having pushed anakin so far away, and he would have to walk aaaaaaaallll the way over to him.
     
  4. Sophita

    Sophita Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    <really bad joke> He felt Anakin's pain. </really bad joke>
     
  5. The_Anakin_Wannabe

    The_Anakin_Wannabe Jedi Padawan star 4

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    In the unedited saber duels Anakin gave Dooku a bit of a run for his money. So he was probably tired and relieved that he had beaten him.
     
  6. OgiBenDagi

    OgiBenDagi Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Exactly why don't we get to see this un-edited saber duel?

    I think he was fatigued.
     
  7. The_Anakin_Wannabe

    The_Anakin_Wannabe Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Exactly why don't we get to see this un-edited saber duel?

    I reall, really, really wish I knew. Common opinion is that it was cut to make Yoda's the focal point, but I feel that Anakin duel was far more important for the saga. It would have been amazing to see Anakin stand up to Dooku and fight longer than his master did.
     
  8. foxbatkllr

    foxbatkllr Jedi Knight star 6

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    2 questions I want to address:

    1. Why didn't we get the full duel?
    IMO, because Lucas didn't want it to overshadow the Anakin/Obi-Wan duel. He wanted to make sure that it was the greatest of all by far. Also, because of time constraints and when you combine Obi-Wan/Anakin/Yoda vs. Dooku it's a very long saber fight.

    2. Why did Dooku have that look on his face?
    I think he was surprised Anakin put up such a good fight. He talks smack with Obi during his duel and starts talking smack to Anakin, but Ani gives Dooku a run for his money, forcing him to shut up and duel. He was probably also exhausted a bit, but I think it's more of a surprise face that Anakin put up such a great fight.
     
  9. The_Anakin_Wannabe

    The_Anakin_Wannabe Jedi Padawan star 4

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    By adding the Yoda duel in people will be arguing for years down the track about who is the better duelist, Yoda or Anakin/Vader. So i reckon George has already over shadowed the Obi-Ani duel already.
     
  10. -Edward-

    -Edward- Jedi Youngling star 2

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    when i thought about this reaction, i agree with what a poster said above about him having to face his master's wrath, because sidious/palpatine has a very keen interest in anakin, moulding him to be his next aprentice, so now he has been badly injured he may not be as effective
     
  11. The_Anakin_Wannabe

    The_Anakin_Wannabe Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I don't think Sidious would have told Dooku about Anakin. Surely Dooku would know that there can be only two Sith and if Sidious told Dooku about another possible apprentice then Dooku would more than likely try and overthrow Sidious and thus spoiling his plans. Though my theory goes out the window when Sidious tells Vader about turning Luke, but just ignore that for now :)
     
  12. DamonD

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    I always just thought he was knackered. He heaves a couple breaths before sensing Yoda approach.
     
  13. Bjork

    Bjork Jedi Padawan star 4

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    For some reason I always thought that he had a look of disapointment that Anakin and Obi-Wan really didn't put up that much of a fight...sort of like Dooku was expecting more from a grown Jedi and the Choosen One.

    And even if Dooku didn't know that Anakin was the Choosen One - I bet he knew that he was incredibly strong in the Force. Personally, I would think that everyone in the Temple would have known about Anakin being the Chosen One - the news would travel like news of a divorce through a small town.

    -Bjork.
     
  14. ST-TPM-ASF-TNE

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    By adding the Yoda duel in people will be arguing for years down the track about who is the better duelist, Yoda or Anakin/Vader. So i reckon George has already over shadowed the Obi-Ani duel already

    Anakin's been training for ten years. Yoda's been training for 800 years. You can't expect Anakin to be better than Yoda.
     
  15. Ret

    Ret Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    It just seemed like he was tired and gathering his thoughts to me.
     
  16. ForceHeretic

    ForceHeretic Jedi Youngling star 4

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    I think the look is cause he knows he has to kill them both even though he doesn't really want to because he respects Anakin and possibly Obi-wan

    And it would go with his whole act not being a clear enemy of the Jedi, like how he says to Mace, "Then I'm sorry old friend" as he's about to give the order to finish the Jedi off
     
  17. Lukecash

    Lukecash Jedi Master star 4

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    I think that it was partially dissapointment,partiall sadness.

    After all Qui-gon was his pupil; Anakin and Obiwan are extentions of his belovid pupil. These could be his grandsons, in his eyes.

    Perhaps in Dooku eyes-Because he was smart enough to join the darkside, he thought THEY should have been smart enough
     
  18. OgiBenDagi

    OgiBenDagi Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I don't really think that it came across on-screen that anakin put up any greater fight against Dooku than Obi-Wan.

    He moved around a bit more, but Obi's attack and defense looked just as impressive.

    I guess the length of time that Anakin lasted was supposed to represent this, but I really don't think the in-the-dark close ups helped draw me into the fight. I found myself sitting there impatient, waiting for a wider shot with actual action and conflict.

    On the subject of the look though, maybe Dooku wasn't winded at all. Maybe there was still a trace of regret for having to take down two jedi. Maybe there is some sort of inner conflict in Dooku.
     
  19. NiktosRule

    NiktosRule Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I think he was just tired after the 2 duels.
     
  20. MachinatingMachiavel

    MachinatingMachiavel Jedi Youngling star 2

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    everythign about Lee's Dooku is so ambiguous, LOL. I think his ambiguity might be a plot point, but a small one.

    It's either: *sigh* "all in a day's work"

    or

    "shoot, Sidious won't like this"
     
  21. The_Anakin_Wannabe

    The_Anakin_Wannabe Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Anakin's been training for ten years. Yoda's been training for 800 years. You can't expect Anakin to be better than Yoda.

    I don't expect Anakin to be better than Yoda, but if the duel was cut so the Obi-Ani duel looks to be the duel to end all duels, you can't turn around and show the supreme fighter then.
     
  22. Krash

    Krash RSA Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    After all Qui-gon was his pupil; Anakin and Obiwan are extentions of his belovid pupil. These could be his grandsons, in his eyes. You know, I hadn't really thought of that prospect either? Considering he tried to recruit Obi-Wan by bringing up You forget, that he was once my apprentice; just as you were once his And ya gotta believe that Dooku wasn't planning on being "the apprentice" forever...and may have had plans to move up the "rule of 2" chain of command someday?

    I think he may have been tired, despite his reputation as a master swordsman...and was taking a moment to consider "what a waste" it would be to have to destroy such a powerful prospect (Anakin)
     
  23. JeffKenobi

    JeffKenobi Jedi Youngling star 1

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    There's a lot of talk about Dooku being tired. Maybe Christopher Lee, but not his character. It doesn't fit that such an all-powerful Sith would let fatigue affect him.

    The look seemed to be one of condescension.
    Kind of like the top high school basketball player in the nation going up against Michael Jordan in his prime. Jordan (or Dooku) looks at the young hotshot and thinks, "You little punk. You aren't even in the same galaxy with me."
     
  24. w0rf

    w0rf Jedi Youngling star 1

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    In the unedited version of Anakin's duel, he stands still for an additional 3 seconds before Dooku hacks off his arm. :p
     
  25. MachinatingMachiavel

    MachinatingMachiavel Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Even in the DVD version, there's a pretty long pause before Dooku chops off his arm. I must say, the battle between Anakin and Dooku was a little bleh. There were bursts of great choreography like that double lightsabre bit which was great, but the whole abstract way of zooming in on their faces while their light sabres reflected light on them was lacking the energy we've come to expect in the PT battles. But then Yoday of course made up for it.
     
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