Full Series Eeth Koth or Agen Kolar

In season 2 Dave Filoni got the go ahead from Lucasfilm to resurrect Eeth Koth who supposedly died on Geonosis in the opening battle of the Clone Wars. With Eeth Koth not in episode 3 and Agen Kolar coming out of nowhere because the actor wasn't available to play Koth,since they've done this now would be a good time to eliminate the confusion and show Agen Kolar and Eeth Koth in the same Clone Wars episode to show they are not the same person and clarify their relationship. Until then it's kind of like Peter Parker and Spider-man. You've never seen the two of them together, so how do you know they are not the same person?

 

It's much better to delete the character of Agen Kolar and have him be Koth in all his appearances. Same counts for the Gallia/Allie issue.

 

You can't do that, it will ruin my action figure collection!


I would agree with you, but the characters of Kolar/Koth and Allie/Gallia look way to different in the PT depictions. Even the action figures look a bit different.

 

The Adi Galia/Stass Allie, issue isn't that bad. Adi died on Boz Pity near the end of the war, killed by General Greivous. Stass Allie was clearly seen in episode III, gunned down by her Clone Troopers on Selucami.

 

Here are the Wookieepedia pages on Eeth Koth and Agen Kolar. Looking at the pictures, they look way to different to retcon them into one character in my opinion.

 

Eeth Koth and Agen Kolar look waaaaaaay too different. Especially with the whole white-guy, black-guy, thing.
There is also the "lines" and the "dots".

I think it would be best if Stass Alie was retconned. Even though I am not an Adi fan, I never thought Stass was any better.
Stass Alie doesn't have much of a backstory anyway...

Oh and I like Eeth Koth better.

 

I don't mind Eeth Koth being resurrected because it gives us a Jedi whose fate we don't know yet we know he needs to die as Agen Kolar replaces him.

Lets hope he becomes a victim to General Grievous.

 

Well i don't get it why Eeth Koth's resurrection is such a big deal- it's actually old canonical problem now solved- Eeth Koth appears in old Clone Wars series very much alive and now it's logic - Eeth's "death" is not seen clearly we can see gunship shot down but originally same gunship had not only Koth but also Sora Bulq- who also somehow survived Agen however is a different person- he is Zabrak but as said - but very much different looking (even though TCW-Koth looks bit like him) so i agree with QuiWanKenJin let's show them both in the same episode.... Shaak Ti and Ahsoka caused some confusion before- i don't get how??? Are people so blind or stupid that they don't see difference between them Stass Allie however is ultimately confusing character- she is played by 3 different actresses (2 different in Rots) and like Kolar wo was supposedly Koth before retcon- she is originally meant to be Adi Gallia... actually jediwoman killed on Saleucami in ep3 looks more like Adi than Stass to me.... so they could be retconned to be one and same or then just show them both in the series- make clear that they are cousins and therefore look alike... I hope GG kills Koth or Gallia in the series- i don't mind if Adi's EU-death will change -she is killed by GG anyway so let's show it in the series and make tragic moment of Grievous slaughtering jedi master BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!

 

Gallia and Allie look enough alike to be retconned, but given that they have two different deaths for the two I'd leave it alone. The only real difference is the lightsaber color. Something I also noticed is Allie and Gallia are supposed to be cousins, but Allie is listed as a human and Gallia is Tholotian. I looked it up and it says under the Tholotian page that both of them are tholotian, but Allie's databank info says she's human. What's up with that? Not on topic I guess, but interesting none-the-less.

 

Having separate characters Eeth Koth and Adi Gallia works for the series - they both could be big scalps for Grievous on screen.

 

No -both are naturally tolothians- they just happen to be nearly identical to humans and therefore misidentified in many sources- apparently their ancestors are from Tolothia but they are near-humans -they can also be tolothian humans and still simply humans with culture enough to be identified "tolothians" - LOL wookieepedia is mess nowadays- same with official databank- when Stass Allie is not in TCW her old background as human is left alone- but she has always supposed to be same species as Gallia- who was human some time ago ans still is in databank ..... i would simply say tolothians ARE humans- like corellians or naboo- they just wear odd headdresses making them to look unique- possibly have some genetic differences or racial traits- like always dark skin- but humans enough to be called humans.... actually Adi is Tolothian from Corellia- LOL sweet mess that is

 

Onaconda Farr and his aide look similar, lets retcon them to be the same person. Just because they look alike is no reason at all to retcon! Kolar and Koth are so dissimilar compared to how other species are portrayed that this shouldn't be a debate. Let Kolar be Kolar, and let Koth be Koth. As long as they are both dead at the end of Order 66 it doesnt matter to me Koth dies during the war.

 

How tall is Gin Clarke who played Adi Gallia in the Phantom Mence? It seems to me she appears to be too short in the Clone Wars.

Well, anyway, I think it's a joke to even consider them to be different characters. Adi Gallia and Stass Allie just the same. What, they couldn't get the same actor, so make new characters that are somewhat related to the former? If you didn't want us to assume they aren't the same person, then they shouldn't have made them look too closely alike. It now appears that GL considers them to be the same people because we haven't seen their replacements in the Clone Wars.

 

Hey Kit Fisto looked different in ROTS than he did in AOTC. I guess that means we need to give the guy in ROTS a new name and give Kit Fisto a separate death scene.

The fact that two characters got replaced by near identical people was always stupid. I'd have no problem if they said they were the same people. It's not like they were mentioned by name on screen.

 

Exactly. If you hadn't come on these boards you wouldn't have known them to be different characters.

 

No. Precisely because they are very different in appearance, they were given different names. They were never identical or near identical.

 

Far more prominent characters in film history have been played by multiple actors, the fact that someone thought that these background characters with not dialogue had to be different people because the actors were different is ludicrous.

 

Ludicrious is the fact that some people can't accept the fact that they are indeed different characters played by different people.

 

You're the few that say that. Most people who have watched Star Wars have no idea they are different characters. I only know they aren't is because of this website. Stop sticking up for the poor excuse of them not re-hiring the same actors. Next you'll tell us that Samuel L. Jackson's stand-in at the end of The Phantom Menace isn't suppose to be Mace Windu. It's just Lucas accepting minor inconsistencies and hoping nobody cares, or notices, for that matter.

 

Its really only in the behind the scenes photos that any sort of differences can be appreciated. If you go with what is shown on screen the characters could easily be retconned as being the same. The makeup used for the Kit Fisto character differed slightly from AOTC to ROTS, but they never got split into two characters.

Also, of the three actresses used to play the two characters of Adi and Stass (I believe their names are Gin, Lily, and Nina) Lily is the one with the darkest complexion and seems to be the official likeness for Stass even though you never really see anything but the back of Lily's head in AOTC. And in ROTS, we do see Stass played by Nina who looks more like Gin than Lily. I think Adi and Stass should be retconned as being the same.

The differences between Eeth and Agen are harder to retcon since we clearly get a good look at both in TPM and ROTS respectively, and they don't look that much alike. The one thing that really annoyed me about those characters is not any physical resemblance, but that they are wearing the exact same outfits, and so even though they don't look alike, they were still clearly intended to be the same characters. It's just odd that Eeth Koth would die only to be replaced on the council by another Zabrak (coincidence?) with similar hair and horn patterns (that's a little too great of a coincidence) and who just so happens to dress exactly the same (OK, really?).

I threw the idea out a while back that I think the best way to handle the characters of Stass Allie and Agen Kolar would be to make them "Kagemushas" (I got the idea from the Japanese film of the same name) of Adi Gallia and Eeth Koth respectively. In the film a great Japanese warlord and strategist is killed and a prisoner with a similar physical appearance is selected to serve as a body double to create the illusion of the warlord still being alive in order to dissuade surrounding warlords from invading.

I think the best way to handle the characters of Stass and Agen would be to introduce them in TCW prior to Eeth Koth and Adi Gallia being killed off, and making them look and act completely different. But then once Adi Gallia and Eeth are killed off, the council could select Agen and Stass as their replacements and go out of their way to make them look similar to create the illusion that they are still alive.

E.G. perhaps Grievous invades the core worlds and beats the snot out of the Republic forces and Eeth and Adi are killed by Grievous during the invasion, but then the council uses Stass and Agen as body doubles to create the illusion that Eeth and Adi are still alive, provoking Grievous to make some kind of huge tactical error as he is upset by the idea that perhaps Adi and Eeth had got the best of him, creating an opportunity for the Republic to exploit the situation and drive the Separatists back, etc.

 

I'm not sure that's true. Most people who have watched Star Wars barely remember both character, by that logic.

Many people know it ever since they saw the movie. At least I did, specially with Agen Kolar.

What? How is it a poor excuse? One movie was shot in England, the other in Australia.

 

They were clearly intended to be the same people.

 

Intended. Nothing more.

 

You guys are all overlooking a clear way to retcon Eeth and Agen.

In the gunship crash, Eeth received horrible burn scars. He covered it up with makeup, and fought a chunk of the Clone Wars like that. (All of Eeth's appearances.) Eventually, he could no longer hide them and got plastic surgery, completely changing his face. Because he looked so different, he took on the new name of Agen Kolar.

No, I think they should remain separate characters. It leaves for the possibility of Eeth dying in TCW.

 

I'm sure in Lucas' eyes they are one and the same. I'm sure from the costume department they are one and the same...the problem comes from the obsessive continuity folk at Lucasfilm. I bet Lucas rolls his eyes everytime an inconsistency or problem is pointed out to him when he wants to revisit a character in Clone Wars. Working in film I'm mindfull of continuity but it doesn't half get annoying when you're trying to be creative ;p

As far as I'm concerned when I watch ROTS they are the same character

so what they were different actors , up until the dvds we had monkey granny palpatine in empire.


Can we expect a retcon of Katie Holmes and Maggie Gylenhall in Batman Begins and Dark Knight, no it wasn't Rachel Dawes in Dark Knight it was....ummmmm..... her second cousin Daryl Danes who was led to believe she was Rachel after getting hit over the head losing her memory and.....errrrrmmmm..... Bruce Wayne played along with it as really he secretly fancied Daryl all these years and saw it as his chance to get in until that dastard Harvey Dent showed up.


I do read and enjoy the books and comics and am aware the backstories but I view them on their own merits.