Emblem coloUr

If the Empire's logo is usually portrayed as blue, while the rebel logo is red, what does it mean if the Sith uses the red coloUr and the Jedi uses the blue?




DD - ColoUr ?

 

I thought both logos are red...

 

Are you talking about COLORS?

 

The impirial symbol is uselly black

 

1). Jedi and Rebellion are not that much connected, if at all, and so are Empire and Sith (well, these maybe are a bit more).
2). Jedi use green sabers, too.

 

Imperial (Black)

Rebel Alliance (Red)

Galactic Republic (Lavender)

Sith

Jedi


Imperials used black in order to portray blind power and exact unification. This is scene throughout the entire classic trilogy in the form of TIE fighters to Imperial Officers' unifroms, the interior of ships to even Vader's uniform. Lucas probably chose black, though, mainly because it is commonly identified with evil and the negative, which was his intent.

The Rebel Alliance used the color of red for another simple reason- it stands for passionate energy for both good and bad cause. In this case it was used in the "good" cause of overthrowing the Empire- the red representing "rebellion".

The Galactic Republic chose the color of lavender for a simple reason- at the time, it is the only hue that had never been associated with war, anger, or mourning in any culture of the Republic. That identified how the government was in general- non-aggressive, passionate, and presented with "open arms".

The Sith are usually identified by red because of their lightsabers, although the color's meaning goes deeper than that. Red is perhaps the most ambiguous of all colors, standing for blood, anger, and injury, but, like in the Rebel Alliance's case, it can also stand for a "good". Yet, in the Sith's case, the color does indeed stand for blood, anger, and injury.


The Jedi's colors are not actually defined. The Prequels would give the Jedi an aura of green and blue, but that is only from what we have seen so far in the trilogy- TPM is primarily a green and blue movie (Theed, Naboo Swamps, Gungan City, etc.), and in AotC (which the beginning part is "blue", as per Lucas's orders) the Jedi are seen mainly in the Battle of Geonosis, where their brilliant blue and green lightsabers stand out against the dark orange/reddish setting.

In the classic trilogy, however, the Jedi's "color" is not as cleanly cut- it's more of a mix between what we see of Luke Skywalker and Obi-Wan.

Luke is perhaps the best character to describe through colors (Anakin would come in a close second with his own progession as a character). This is easily shown through ANH, ESB, and RotJ.

He begins with identified with the desert, sunlight, and blue-white fire. His hair is blond (gold), the sun color, and his clothing is white. He is chaste, pure, idealistic, a "creature of glory in his mythic relationship to the Force".

However, he is also connected with the material world of the Alliance. The blaster he carries represents this connection; unlike Yoda, Vader and Kenobi, he is "not a Jedi yet." While in this mode he wears an orange flight suit, for orange, although it represents fire, is known as the "color of desperation" and is strongly associated with tragedy, falseness, and the material.

On Dagobah, where he is attempting to integrate his active nature into Yoda's passive world-view, Luke wears a muddy grayish-green outfit of no particular color, signifying the conflict of these two principles rather than their synthesis. His usual white garments represent purification, illumination, and goodness, but also sterility (the negative of chastity) and incompleteness.

Kenobi's symbolism is very close to Luke's, although as an old man and a full Jedi he also represents wisdom and completion. He, too, wears white, but veiled with a "brown surcote, presumably standing for Yoda's teaching. Kenobi is associated with war, with the lightsaber, and with the desert, solar symbol of ascetic spirituality and opposite of Yoda's swamp.


So, in essence, the Jedi can be identified clearly as green and blue during the Prequels, yet a balance of colors with different meanings in the classic trilogy, no doubt representing the major change and future that lay before the Order during that time.


Ken Kenobi- And you have a nice day

 

Very informative Kenkenobi.

Thx.




DD - Love & Laughter

 

No problem.


Ken Kenobi- And you have a nice day

 

Hey Ken, interesting post.

I understand the symbolism of green and blue (and purple ) against the deep red background during the battle of Geonosis. I hadn't thought to strongly about the colors of that scene yet. But do you think that the last several scenes (Geonosis, the Coruscant visit between Dooku and Palp, and the red sunset at the wedding) being dominated by red are meant to signify that SW is moving into a time when red will be the significant color; the blue and green fire will have gone out of the universe?

 

But do you think that the last several scenes (Geonosis, the Coruscant visit between Dooku and Palp, and the red sunset at the wedding) being dominated by red are meant to signify that SW is moving into a time when red will be the significant color; the blue and green fire will have gone out of the universe?

Well this is what I think the Prequel trilogy has done in the way of color meaning.

Like I said before, TPM is primarily a blue/green movie (Theed, Naboo Swamps, Gungan City, Final Battle on Naboo, etc.), or, in other words, has a "light setting" predominantly throughout the film (other colors, such as the brown and reds of Tatooine, are simply needed to convey certain elements of the story within the film itself, while the predominant colors are its represenation throughout the saga).



Lucas is quoted as a saying that he wanted to move through AotC with a "blue beginning and a red ending."

This is easy to see. Coruscant at night and Kamino represent the "blue beginning" (which could go deeper in meaning, as it is "dark blue" compared to the "light blues" of TPM, signifying the darkening of the galaxy up to this point, i.e. the threat of the Separatists, the questionable reign of Palpatine, etc.), while Tatooine and Geonosis (including the end sequence where everything is shaded in a orange-red sunset) are his "red ending."

Now, with the information we already have from Lucas (and some common sense if you have already seen the Classic Trilogy and know what must happen in Episode III), the third Episode is going be a dark movie.

So, if we piece this together, we can clearly see the progression of the Prequel Trilogy, and how it moves throughout the Saga as a whole.

TPM starts out in a nice time in the galaxy, filled with light blues and greens and a somewhat stable Republic. This can also be seen on a more personal level as the transition of Anakin (as the Classic Trilogy "color signification" shows not only the change on a galactic scale, but also in Luke's personal struggles and transfigurations). In TPM, Anakin is innocent and "care-free" so to speak- in other words, he has a "light colored" perspective.

In AotC, like I've said above, there is a major change- blue to red (or "dark blue" to "deep red", if you will). The dark blue shows how, in the beginning of the movie, things have definitely changed in the time between TPM, but it hasn't completely gone down hill- the Republic is still going somewhat strong, and Anakin isn't doing too bad in his Jedi training.

However, progression throughout the movie (turning the blue to red) changes things on both the galactic and personal scales. The death of Anakin's mother signals his slipping into the Dark Side, while the Battle of Geonosis and, indeed, the creation of the Republic Grand Army in general signals the Republic's slipping into war and destruction.

So, with this information, we can speculate on the Episode III color transition (and yes, this is where you spoiler-free folks stop reading ).

My guess is that it will start out with some sort of dark red, perhaps a crimson setting or another late sunset. This will be furthered with a supposed final battle with Dooku, and finished through the bright red lava that Anakin falls into in his fight with Obi-Wan. After this initial bloodshed (including the beginning of the Purge?), I'm guessing that black will begin to dominate. The Republic will fall, the Empire will take over, Anakin becomes Darth Vader, the Jedi are pretty much extinct, and the galaxy slips into turmoil.

From there the color transition of the Classic Trilogy begins, which is a discussion all its own.



Ken Kenobi- And you have a nice day