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Emperor Palpatine did not forsee the Second Death Stars destruction

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by Matthew78, Oct 20, 2007.

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  1. Matthew78

    Matthew78 Jedi Knight star 2

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    He forsees a great many things and belives that Luke Skywalker would join him when he does not, even if Luke had decided to kill Darth Vader and become a Sith Lord then Palpatine was foolish because he couldnt forsee the Death Star being destroyed about 10 minutes after tyhe duel had happened, he would never have left because he wouldnt feel or sense any danger coming and both Palpatine and his new apprentice and DS would have been destroyed by the Rebellion.

    No matter what happened the Force seemed to ensure that the Sith the would be destroyed even if the Chosen One didnt wish to do his job and destroy them, Palpatine never forsaw the rebel fighters getting inside of the DS and destroying it, and Vader,Luke and Palpatine were all to busy to notice the tide of the battle had turned, turning Luke to the Dark Side of the force would have been a pretty empty victory because of that, once more democracy and justice would rule the galaxy and the new republic would have peace without the oppression of the Sith anymore, Palpatine never took this into account, Palpatine and Luke would have been dancing around in joy one second and then blasted into oblivion the next, Palpatine must have gotten senile or forgotten to take his pills that day.
     
  2. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Chosen One star 7

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    If not killed by Anakin, Palpatine would have gotten out, just like Luke did.
     
  3. Matthew78

    Matthew78 Jedi Knight star 2

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    No he would not, he never knew that the Rebel fighters had entered the superstructure and had no reason to know, and by the time that they had hit the core and gotten away then he might hear the alarms sounding and not know why, even if he started running then he probably would not make it out,Luke only just makes it out after Vader dies, Palpatine did not know what was happening and had no reason to leave, he probably would have stayed there and ordered the fleet to crush the Rebels until the DS blew up with him inside of it, Palpatine was losing it at the end and his lack of forsight only proves this.
     
  4. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Chosen One star 7

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    I always forget that the revised version of the Prophecy stated that Lando, Wedge, and a Sullustan would bring balance to the Force. It had to be Wedge...
     
  5. General Kenobi

    General Kenobi Administrator Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    "Difficult to see. Always in motion is the future."

    "Your overconfidence is your weakness."
     
  6. DARTH_CONFEDERATE

    DARTH_CONFEDERATE Jedi Master star 5

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    Funny how he forsees what he wants to.
     
  7. Brandon Rhea

    Brandon Rhea Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    If Anakin didn't kill him, Palpatine would NOT have gotten out and it would have proven the prophecy false. However, the prophecy was not false, hence why Anakin killed him.
     
  8. timmoishere

    timmoishere Force Ghost star 6

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    Force users cannot see the future 100% of the time, and the times they do see the future are not always 100% accurate.
     
  9. BigBoy29

    BigBoy29 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    This is the biggest irony in all of Star Wars.

    All the Jedi/Sith "balance" nonsense that supposedly means so much to the Saga ......

    is really meaningless because the saga is solved when Wedge and Goldleader blow up DS2.


    Some will tell you Star Wars is really Jedi vs. Sith.

    Some will tell you Star Wars is really Imperial vs. Rebel.


     
  10. Haylo_Tau

    Haylo_Tau Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I don't think the force makes you omnipotent.
     
  11. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Chosen One star 7

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    That shuttle wasn't there for Luke. Palpatine would have sensed the DS II's imminent destruction through the Force, and would have known about the shield being down.
     
  12. skyysoblue

    skyysoblue Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Obviously he did not foresee his own death and the second death star being blown up....

    Leia was what clouded his vision. He did not know that they existed. Was unaware of her ability to befriend the Ewoks and lead another army against his clones.

    The existance of a sister added an element to his turning of Luke that he did not foresee. He thought Vader was Luke's only family. When Luke fought with emotion is was the feeling to protect another, not pure anger against an enemy, which was the kind of anger he needed Luke to emote to trap him. Also, Vader, having realized that he had two children and had tortured his one daughter became weaker, the conflict inside him growing stronger.

    And his vision can go only as far as his own life. So he would see Luke standing over the vanquished vader, killed in a burst of emotion. This may have been enough for him to conclude that he would turn luke to the dark side.

     
  13. Brandon Rhea

    Brandon Rhea Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The shuttle wasn't there for Palpatine either. It was a hangar bay, so naturally there would be shuttles. As far as sensing the Death Star's destruction, as was said earlier Palpatine cannot sense everything correctly. He's not all powerful.
     
  14. Alpha-Red

    Alpha-Red 18X Hangman Winner star 7 VIP - Game Winner

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    Palpatine believes that evil triumphs in the end, hence the whole "Rebels will be wiped out" and "Luke will inevitably turn and be my apprentice" stuff. Whether Luke turns to the dark side is in the end a choice that only Luke can make, so that's one of Palpatine's predictions down the drain. As for the Rebellion being crushed however, that's really something that in all probability should have happened anyway, but didn't. The question then becomes: if Han and Leia would have survived anyway, and the Rebel fleet would've triumphed regardless, then what motivation was there ever for Luke to turn?

    Another thought: if Luke had turned to the dark side, would this have thrown off the balance of the Force in such a way that the Rebels would've lost? I feel this by itself is the weakest link in the entire trilogy, that there's no connection between the spiritual battle and the physical one. KotOR at least had the concept of battle meditation incorprated in a believable fashion so that one individual's choice can literally affect the outcome of the conflict....but this isn't true for ROTJ. Sure Palpatine is said to be using it himself, but the link to Luke resisting the dark side to distract Palpatine and ensure a Rebel victory just thins out at that point.
     
  15. GrandWarlord

    GrandWarlord Jedi Youngling star 2

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    The overconfidence is what did him in. Overconfidence in Vader, the Empire, everything. Tarkin died because of the same thing.....
     
  16. Palp_Faction

    Palp_Faction Force Ghost star 4

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    I'm sure Palpatine would have escaped the Death Star's destruction. As soon as the shield came down the entire station would have had to have been evacuated. I expect Palptine's cronies were trying to contact him, if not attempting to access the throne room, as soon as they realised the danger.

     
  17. Freakzillawht2

    Freakzillawht2 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    exactly tarkin was warned of the danger and refused to leave the DS1, palpatine perhaps would have just stay in his chair until the DS2 blew up.;)
     
  18. anakinandpadmedoomed

    anakinandpadmedoomed Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I agree palpatine would have escaped the destruction.
    I'm sure he knew as soon as they did.
    Tarken had an ego and thats why he didnt leave..confindence in Vader didnt have much to do with it.
     
  19. RamRed

    RamRed Jedi Master star 4

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    Palpatine also suffered from overconfidence. That's why he ended up dead.
     
  20. anakinandpadmedoomed

    anakinandpadmedoomed Jedi Padawan star 4

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    There was a lot of overconfidence in the OT.
    He wasnt the only one who had it.
    That word was used alot, about alot of people.
     
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