ST Emperor Palpatine's Inevitable Resurrection.

Its not even a question to me at this point.

I do love the red herring for the geeks with Plagueis, though. But lets be serious here. If you're going to have a saga, its almost becoming accepted that not even a seemingly final death is permanent should more chapters/episodes/whatever need to be made. We already have two examples of the plot twist in both LOST and Harry Potter.

I'll elaborate on LOST since that's the IP i'm more familiar with. In LOST, the big bad guy, a human called The Man In Black, dies and is transformed into a non-corporeal entity, a smoke monster. If you wonder why your guy is called Snoke and looks like a Hammer Films style MONSTER. If you wonder why Rey, after Ren killed Han, says YOU'RE A MONSTER.. well.. this is why.

The snoke monster spends the series coming across our heroes and in the 5th season its revealed that he found a way of being able to put himself inside of one of the main characters, John Locke. There are similarities in the why they're handling Kylo Ren. Kylo aspires to be something he will never be. He wants to be That Guy in the form of his grandfather, but really, he falls quite short. He just wasn't born that way, but that doesn't keep him from trying. John Locke is also quite similar and in turn, also found a way to kill his father.

So how does the Snoke Monster get in to Kylo Ren? I don't know. Some made up bs or another, Harry Potter used horcrux's, where the big bad could keep part of his spirit for safekeeping. In fact, you'll notice that the Snoke Monster has a split in his forehead, as does Emperor Palpatine in ROTJ, and Harry Potter signified this with a lightning scar.

It also tracks well with the myth surrounding how the Sith see themselves as two different people. The death of the person they were born as, and the person they have become. Ben mentions this to Han when he calls him by name. What they haven't done yet in this series is expand the idea to one where... What If the person you become is actually someone else. The body is the same, but the spirit is destroyed and replaced by another. Perhaps from someone who died.

Perhaps, like LOST, Kylo Ren has to fail and die and that allows Palpatine to inject himself into the body. Remember, we can also track back to the fact Luke burned Vader's body. The Others did something similar to their dead so that the Smoke Monster could not inhabit their bodies after death with which to trick their friends. The Jedi might not even remember why they do it, its just become an ancient ritual should a Jedi have died unprepared(if prepared, there is no body at all). It would also go a long way towards explaining why they had so much trouble finding the Sith in the first 3 films.

Either way, I don't see any way they don't write that guy back into the story. Not doing so would almost be creative malfeasance. Bringing in a ringer in the form of Plagueis could work, but it would have about 5% of the impact as bringing UNLIMITED POWER back to life. In fact, part of the reason I think people advocate for Plagueis is they REALLY don't want to have that guy around again. WHICH IS WHY YOU DO IT. People hate him so much they want some nobody mentioned in one scene of Episode 3 to suddenly be like.. I BE THE REAL VILLAIN. Uh.. no pal... I won't buy that for a dollar. I want the guy who has been the main antagonist this entire series. Anything less is just being chicken**** and softballing the story.

At the worst, they could set it so Plagueis and Sideous are in actuality one and the same. So you get Palpatine, but also the backstory of Plagueis. But any option where Plagueis suddenly shows up cold as the big bad, without also at least explaining he was really Palpatine, gets laughed at from me. Its just not really a coherent option if trying to adhere to a SAGA and tie the 3 trilogies together.

 

People don't want to see the resurrection of Palpatine because it would be ham-fisted and lazy, regardless of how they did it.

 

Palpatine is one of my favorite characters (hence the avatar), but I in no way want him back. It would be lazy.

It was a bit sad to have the first movie with no Emperor, or even a reference to him though.

 

I'm a fan of what TFA did - move FORWARD. The talk of bringing back (insert character here) is nauseating. An appearance from a Force Ghost (like Obi Wan in ROTJ) would be ok, but other than that, let's move forward. (This is coming from a hardcore OT supporter by the way)

 

Palpating is dead forever in the new timeline, I am sure. He had a good run and is one of my favourite characters, but he doesn't have the monopoly on being a shadowy puppet master. Let's see how Snoke shapes up.

 

You guys seem like there are people that don't seem to want a Star Wars Saga at all. Instead they just want a new trilogy with little connection to STAR WARS.

If the writers can't tie all the episodes together into one overall Saga, then a Saga you do not have. And the way you do that is Palpatine. Its not lazy, its the story. They already seeded the fact that he knew there was some sort of knowledge of how to survive even death. To not follow it up by using it to survive his own death is just being silly. That would be lazy as you're simply resorting to freeballing some new trilogy with little connection to the first two at all.

 

If it has to be so, I'd rather Plageuis be the loose connection to Palpatine, and showing the dark side way of cheating death through him. I don't think Palps knew his masters secrets.

 

no, Snoke is the master now

Sidious' story arc is over. He was an awesome character, lets keep him that way.

 

I wouldn't call it inevitable. Snoke doesn't seem to be a Palpatine clone. Maybe I'm in denial, but since I always hated the idea of Palpatine coming back through clones in the old EU, I feel like the ST will take a better approach to the future of the Dark Side. If Rey's name was Jaina and Kylo's was Jacen, I might be a little worried about Palpatine coming back. This doesn't seem to be the case though.

 

Star Wars was never Palpatine though, it's the Skywalker Saga. They're not free balling, it's continuing the story of the Skywalkers and the battle between the darkside and the light. A lot of people had this ridiculous notion that the new villains shouldn't be force users. That would be too big of a disconnect, but moving on from Palpatine and looking deeper into the darkside isn't at all.

I-III The rise and fall of Anakin Skywalker
IV-VI The adventures of Luke Skywalker and the redemption of Darth Vader
VII-IX The struggle between Ben Solo (read Skywalker) and (likely) Rey Skywalker

 

The Lucas treatment was about Luke teaching two students a boy and a girl, the boy falls to the darkside, the girl becomes a Jedi (both at the end of VII). Kylo is inspired by Jacen Solo, but Rey is likely only loosely based on Jaina. I'd expect Plagueis before Palpatine, there's actually a real argument to be made for Plagueis, but let's be real there was a pretty solid argument for Darth JarJar too.

 

Looked like plenty of connections to the OT. The most recent trilogy in the timeline. Also the trilogy that avoided a bunch of really really bad ideas. Like the "survive death" thing for example.

 

Could be as simple as re-using Atha Prime and calling him Snoke:

"A powerful force long kept in exile in a remote fringe of the galaxy has been released by the death of the Emperor. It moves now, like a plague, securing control over the shattered remnants of the empire and re-enslaving newly freed worlds. Atha Prime, genetics master, ruler of the dark worlds and architect of the Clone Wars, is free again. His advanced army of combat clones has already decimated rebel outposts along the galactic frontier. His goal is to cursh forever the Rebel Alliance and control the Galaxy."

I would not rule out a possibility of a Clone Sidious or Vader. Lucas supposedly found the Dark Empire trilogy to be a true sequel.

 

No, Darth Sidious is dead and gone. Why resurrect him? That would only tarnish his characters story arc.

There are plenty of connections in this film to both the PT and OT.

 

I think you could find a way to incorporate the Plagueis lore into Palpatine. There is no reason they can't be the same person, and Palpatine/Sideous was simply a version(or Horcrux in Harry Potter terminology) of Plagueis. I'm not sure that is the way to go given that Palpatine/Sideous had such the strong evil presence and has been the bad guy of 5 of the first 6 films. He's already established himself as the Voldemort of the series, and not tying back into him being the main guy is always going to come off as weaksauce.

As much as people say they really want to see him stay dead, you need to remember this has to have an overall story if keeping to a US/UK style of storytelling and the only tie that binds everything is Sideous. Also, just to be clear, when I say Palpatine/Sideous should return... I don't mean in any other form than killing Ben's spirit and replacing it with his own. Everything with him would be done via Adam Driver, which would take some nifty acting ability. So really.. Kylo Ren is the villain of the trilogy, but his final evolution into a supervillain is having his spirit replaced by that of Sideous/Plagueis.

 

Star Wars is about the Skywalkers, not Palpatine. They already have someone who ties all three trilogies together, and it is not Palpatine. It is Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader.

The PT is about the fall of Anakin Skywalker and the rise of Darth Vader.

The OT is about the fall of Darth Vader and the redemption of Anakin Skywalker.

The ST is about the legacy of both Anakin Skywalker (blue lightsaber and Rey) and Darth Vader (burned Vader mask and Kylo Ren).

Anakin/Vader is the glue that ties all three trilogies together, not Palpatine. To bring back Palpatine would also diminish heavily Anakins sacrifice in ROTJ. It was his destiny, due to the prophecy, to destroy the Sith. He did so at the end of that movie.

Trust me, Palpatine is gone for good.

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The way you do that is with the Skywalkers, and that tie in is already there. They're what makes it a Saga. The story is this family and its struggles with their power and the temptation of the Dark Side. The Dark Side is more of an abstract concept and doesn't always have to be represented by Palpatine, or Vader, or Snoke, or Kylo. They don't need to have the same enemies all the time. In fact, the idea that the Skywalker is the enemy and Rey/Finn may not even be related is pretty refreshing.

 

I don't want Palpatine back. I like how how his story ended. It would diminish Anakin's story if they resurrected Palpatine.

 

If he did return in some form, I don't think he'd be too concerned with the First Order or reclaiming the Empire. The Tarkin novel said it was just a stepping stone to his true goal. He wanted to use the dark side to become God of the universe and reshape reality itself.


Judging by how the Starkiller blowing up Hosnian Prime could be seen on Takodana, maybe he succeeded.

 

Interesting take. It would at least explain the penchant for Bigger and Bigger Guns. Not to mention, if he was looking to become the God of the Universe, being able to resurrect yourself inside of a new body would be a good start towards immortality and never really dying. After all, the entire conceit of Vader is of a man who should of died on Mustafar being given massive artificial means to extend his life. He literally was a form of Frankenstein's monster. This would be a logical progression of that. Actually coming back from the dead(in a manner of speaking) through various means to place a spirit into a new host body. Lets not pretend that we haven't seen life after death since Ben first whispered to Luke to use the Force on the first Death Star run. Force Ghosts talking back and forth. And unless you want to claim Luke was delusional, we had the Force Ghost Three at the end of ROTJ so it fits with what we've seen before in the OT.

What we have never seen, is what exactly happens to Sith that haven't been redeemed after they die. What do they become?

 

Nah, I don't see it being Palpatine, more interesting is if it's someone like Jorus C'baoth, an old Dark Jedi who had been keeping low and now is using the image of the monster Snoke because it makes it easier to control others. Using Palps again seems a bit silly. Also given that the Dark Empire could be used in this way, but I don't see them taking that route completely, i'm going to say they want to make a version of Palps, but I'm not sure if they can clone him.

 

Recall what chapter that was by any chance?

 

I'm sorry but this is preposterous!

And this is coming from a big fan of Palpatine!

I do, however, find it amusing how you laugh at us Plagueis geeks and then give us this.

 

Not sure about the Emperor but please please, pretty please, bring back Ian McDiarmid to chew up some more scenes as anything or anyone else...

 

Sidious MUST come back. It'd be dumb if they didn't bring him back.

Post episode 6? If it's done right I'd be happy with it. Plus I don't like ren or snoke. Just husk.

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