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Empire Concentration Camps?

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  1. LordBlack

    LordBlack Jedi Youngling star 3

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    As we know that Lucas took elements from Nazism into the Galactic Empire, Dictatorship, Style Of Clothing ect. Some going as far as to portray a strictly Human regime in some cases, has it been mentioned anywhere if the Empire had something simular to slave labour or Concentration camps too?
     
  2. JacenKatarnC3PX

    JacenKatarnC3PX Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Of course they have slaves. Look at the Wookies for instance. I don't think they had concentration camps, unless you consider Kessel one.
     
  3. Wes_Janson

    Wes_Janson Jedi Youngling star 5

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    Kessel existed under the old republic as well.

    Wouldnt the Despayre system penal colony and the first Death Star's construction there count ?
     
  4. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Yes, and the Republic was the one that started taking Wookiee slaves--don't blame that on the Empire.
     
  5. Darth_DSpice

    Darth_DSpice Jedi Knight star 5

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    I don't think the Republic took wookie slaves but wookies were taken as slaves by others during the Republic's time.....correct me if I am wrong...
     
  6. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Czerka corporation had Senate membership and the Republic's authorization to take slaves. Since the Republic was more of a trading union than a galactic government, that means that the Republic actively encouraged the slave trade.

    That means that the comments about antislavery laws in TPM must refer to human slaves.
     
  7. Darth_DSpice

    Darth_DSpice Jedi Knight star 5

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    Is Czerka still around during TPM's time?
     
  8. CmdrMitthrawnuruodo

    CmdrMitthrawnuruodo Force Ghost star 6

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    Not to mention the Jedi also had concentration camps for failed Jedi. Oh yes, your beloved goody doers sent their own to work in camps. How very moral and good they are. snorts derisively

    And no the Empire didn't have any concentration camps. This whole Nazism thing is the fault of West End Games. If you look at Lucas's Empire you'll see more Roman qualities than you do Nazism.
     
  9. benkenobi151

    benkenobi151 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    First of all, I have read several books stating that the Empire started taking slaves at the suggestion of the Transhodans. And the slave trade was illegal in the Old Republic, Padme mentioned it to Shimi Skywalker in Episode I, remember!
     
  10. Ive_Got_Two_Legs

    Ive_Got_Two_Legs Jedi Youngling star 4

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    And remember what Shmi's reply was?

    Besides, Cloak of Deception stated that the Republic would allow slavery in member areas when it was politically viable.
     
  11. benkenobi151

    benkenobi151 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    She only said that because Tatooine wasn't even part of the Republic, and if it was, the Republic had trouble patrolling all its worlds. Even your glorious Empire could barely control the Outer Rim worlds.
     
  12. EmperorSorridom

    EmperorSorridom Jedi Knight star 5

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    Is Czerka still around during TPM's time?

    Yep. Ironically, during the Galactic Civil War, Czerka sympathized with the New Republic, if I'm not mistaken.
     
  13. benkenobi151

    benkenobi151 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Very smart idea!
     
  14. JacenKatarnC3PX

    JacenKatarnC3PX Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Ya, but by that time, Czerka wasn't as big anymore. It used to be the main corp. that made weapons. Blastech easily shoved passed Czerka for first on that. The Merson(sp?) shoved pass for 1st with demolution products. Eventually they were kicked out of the race for lead. Plus they aren't acting up in recent days. And I must agree with the others, OFFICIALLY slavery was NOT allowed in the Republic.
     
  15. Zebra3

    Zebra3 Jedi Master star 5

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    Wasn't Admiral Akbar Grand Moff Tarkin's slave at one point? When did they start enslaving Mon Calimari?

    I think the Lusankya could be considered a concentration camp.
     
  16. CmdrMitthrawnuruodo

    CmdrMitthrawnuruodo Force Ghost star 6

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    The prisoners on Lusankya weren't starved and worked. Just worked. I know a concentration camp is basically a prison where the prisoners are forced to work, but the kind everyone is thinking of is the Nazi concenration and death camps. Which the Empire did not have.
     
  17. Zebra3

    Zebra3 Jedi Master star 5

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    So, when were the Mon Calimari (or at least Admiral Akbar) enslaved?
     
  18. Darth_DSpice

    Darth_DSpice Jedi Knight star 5

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    I think during the time of the Clone Wars but I am not sure about that.....
     
  19. benkenobi151

    benkenobi151 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Probably very soon after Palpitine murdered every Jedi.
     
  20. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Before Yavin, when Tarkin found their world. Tarkin was the biggest bigot in the Galactic Empire, along with Sate Pestage. Since both of them had excessive amounts of power, they could do as they wish, even take slaves. Tarkin's power in Oversector Outer was nearly unlimited, even for the standards of a grand moff, which is why he enslaved Wookiees and Mon Calamari. In his official reports, he cited its legality by calling it domestication of non-sentients--slavery itself was illegal.

    In fact, several sourcebooks detail stories of Imperial customs officials arresting individuals for illegal slavery practices. :)
     
  21. benkenobi151

    benkenobi151 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Well I guess you're right. So the ideal of the Empire wasn't evil, just everybody running it.
     
  22. Zebra3

    Zebra3 Jedi Master star 5

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    So, slavery was illegal. But forcing people to work for you against their will wasn't, per se?
     
  23. Robal_Krahl

    Robal_Krahl Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    The ideal of the Empire actually had noble qualities; order, peace, etc. It was the methods with which the Imperials brought these about that was evil; IE: Tarkin destroying Alderaan, the annihilation of Firrerre, and so on and so forth.

    As for the Jedi concentration camps, yes, they had them. But they were not death camps like those of the Nazis; these concentration camps were designed to keep the Jedi washouts from becoming a danger to the Galaxy. They weren't entirely successful, but they couldn't very well execute those that failed, could they? Otherwise they'd be the very thing which they stood against.

    I do believe that the Empire had concentration camps for slaves and such; where else would they house them? The Wookiees, the Mon Calamari, the Flakax... the list goes on. They would have to put them in a place similar to a concentration camp to maintain safety for those in control. There is no official standing on this that I know of, and if there is, please point it out to me.

    The Empire was based heavily on Naziism; the Stormtroopers, the ruthless dictator, and the suppression of other species are signs of this. This is based solely on observation of the movies; that's Lucas' Empire.
    It is only through the books that I see otherwise... that may just be me, though. The Empire is Jello's specialty.
     
  24. jawajames

    jawajames Former RSA // stawars.com contributor star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA VIP

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    also the Empire had several prisons / prison camps for interning political prisoners. Dathomir had one built on it until the nightsisters emerged and palpatine ordered the planet interdicted, leaving the prisoners and their guards behind in order to prevent the nightsisters from escaping that world.
     
  25. benkenobi151

    benkenobi151 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Well, you're right.
     
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