MN Episode 3 *Predictions* - No Spoilers

Ok lets do this before Spoilers come out. Then in 3 years we can get a good laugh out of how stupid we all are.

Let's here what you think we will see in the next one. I know there was one scene supposedly filmed for Ep3. Sorry but that has to be considered a spoiler so don't mention it here..


What do I think..

Lets see. I think Anakin will not return to the Jedi. He will stay with Padme. I think him and Padme may go and live with the Lars at some point. Obiwan comes looking for Anakin for help when he finds out about the connection between the Chancellor and the Sith. Anakin follows Obiwan on "some dame foolistic crusade" and ends up getting twisted to the dark side completely for reasons I am still not sure of. Maybe Palpy makes him believe the Jedi sent the Tuskens after his mom so he would get over her.
Padme will be Pregnant. She at some point will give birth but in a way where Anakin will not know about Leia. I believe that Anakin will know about Luke. I think Vader knows about Luke all through the OT. He just did not know Padme had twins. Why do I think that? Well Luke is still called Skywalker. Luke lives with Anakin's Step family. That isn't hiding someone. Luke is hidden from the Emperor. Not Vader.

Palpy will come out of the closet so to speak and declare the Republic an empire.

Obiwan or Anakin will smackdown Dooku.

Anakin will turn and Obiwan will try and turn him back.. Severely injuring him in the Process.

Mace will go down fighting Vader.

In the end we will see Luke being brought to the Lars and Leia and Padme will go to Allderan. Ben will go into hiding near the Lars to watch over Luke. Who brings Luke to the Lars? Not sure.. Maybe Padme gives birth there and leaves him with them. Maybe Obiwan brings him there. Maybe Anakin tells Obiwan to bring him there. Vader knows Obiwan wasn't killed in the purge. That implies he knows he is hiding out. Vader is just surprised that Obiwan showed up at the deathstar. Tarkin is the only one who thought Obiwan should have been dead.

Aayla my blue skinned lovely will leave the Jedi order and move into a nice 3 bedroom rambler in Farmington.

Jurist Edit: Re-opened per CR request.

 

Well, I think that it is possible that Padme is either hurt, thought to be dead, or she dies, and Anakin blames the Jedi and/or Obi-Wan. Just thought about it when I watched the scene with his mother dying. I know that Leia remembers her mother, but Obi-Wan could have been protecting her and her child/children from Anakin and the Emperor.

It is possible that Anakin did know about Luke. Maybe he doesn't know right away though. He knows that the emperor has seen Anakin and his son destroying the emperor.

I see Mace being killed by either Anakin or the Emperor.

I don't think Anakin will go back to the Jedi either, but I don't think that they will turn their backs on him. He is suppose to bring balance to the force.

I think Palpy will declare that he is a Dark Lord but I think he will do this when most of the Jedi are gone. Otherwise, would they just get together and take him down?

I think Dooku will die due to either Mace or Joda.

ok that's all for right now!

 

I think Boba Fett is going to kill Mace Windu, since Mace killed his Father. Boba Fett saw the whole thing happen. He also has to build a pretty powerful reputation, and I think killing a Jedi Master would go along way in building that reputation. At the minimum, we NOW no why Boba Fett hates the Jedi.

Also keep in mind that Palpatine KNOWS who Yoda is. Since Yoda is known as being the greatest of the Jedi (before Anakin), I don't think Yoda just disappearing would be enough. Wouldn't Yoda be a big enough threat that they would want to seek him out? I think Palpatine has to believe he is dead.

I DO think that the Emporer is behind the Tusken Raiders abduction and murder of Anakin's Mother. They kept her alive for over a month. Why? His sensing his Mothers pain, and slaughtering of the Tusken Raiders was NOT by accident. It was planned by Palpatine, to see how he would react if he were too late. Palpatine had to be pleased with the result. I think the next film will show Palpatine's involvement.

If I'm not mistaken, in ANH Owen Lars is none too pleased with Anakin, Obi-Wan nor the Jedi in general. You wouldn't know it by AOTC, so Anakin AND Obi-Wan will have to do something to cause him to dislike them. Yet he takes in Luke, so that whole relationship is going to have to be covered appropriately. Aren't Obi-Wan and Owen supposed to be brothers? I wonder how that will pan out, or if Lucas has decided to abandon it.

I beleive Anakin will kill Dooku, and take his place. Maybe that will be the first thing he does as Darth Vader.

There's more, but this is all I have time for right now.

 

I think the movie will start out smack dab in the middle of the clone wars. Due to years of warfare the public sentiment is turning against the Jedi. After all, it was an ex Jedi who is leading the seperatists and the Jedi were unable to stop or still cannot stop anything going on. There was even a Jedi who commissioned the creation of a clone army with no approval. On the other hand, the public loves Palpy. They view him as the man who must stamp out the rebellion. Palpy of course uses this sentiment later in the movie to wipe out the Jedi (viewed as traitors?) and to create the Empire.

As for Anakin, I think early on he'll kill Dooku. He'll thus become a Jedi Knight as Obi-Wan became after killing Maul. This will also truly begin Anakin's desent to the dark side. He'll become arrogant, he'll feel powerful, and Palpy will take advantage of this. I think Anakin will turn early-middle of the movie.

I also think Anakin will kill Mace and many of the other Jedi. I know Boba is a popular sentiment to do in Mace, but if Lucas really wants to show how powerful Vader is he'll have him kill Mace.

I also hope Anakin kills Padme. No scene could more show how truly evil Vader has become. Perhaps Obi-Wan and Yoda take Padme, and the babies off to be hidden. Vader finds out that Padme is trying to flee from him. He hunts her down and kills her. However, before this the twins are taken away and hidden. It's chilling to think about a scene like this.

One last point about Owen. I think Lucas already has explained why Owen dislikes Obi-Wan, Anakin, and the Jedi. Owen knows that Anakin becomes Darth Vader. Owen doesn't not want Luke to meet a similar fate. Owen hates the Jedi for taking Anakin away to what eventually became his downfall. He doesn't want the same thing to happen to Luke. Owen wants Luke to stay there and be safe and not follow Obi-Wan so that he won't suffer the same fate as Anakin. I think we've already seen enough to know this.

 

You know, as cool as it'd be to see Boba get his revenge on Mace, it just wouldn't work because Boba is only like 12 or so. To my understanding, Episode III will be taking place within 1 or 2 years of AOTC, so Boba would just still be too young.

Now, here's something I'd like to see. Yoda is THE jedi master, right? So, if he's so powerful, why would he go into hiding? I think Palpy's line to Anakin "I see you becoming the greatest of all Jedi. Even more powerful than Master Yoda" needs to come to fruition(sp?). In other words, I want to see Anakin, after he's already turned, take Yoda on, and have Yoda barely escape with his life. Then off to Dagobah he'd go.

Also, Episode III really needs a big space battle, especially since this is called STAR wars. It'd be neat to see early prototype TIE Fighters, especially since we've now seen the pre-cursors to Star Destroyers.

Ok, that's all my thoughts for now.

 

The Clone War will end with a big battle early on in the movie. More Jedi will die, leaving less Jedi for the Sith to purge.

I think Padme will have the babies either before the movie starts or in an epilogue type thing. If she was pregnant the whole film, I wouldn't think she could be involved in much of the fighting/action scenes like I think she will be.

Tarkin and Mon Mothma (played by younger actors) will have cameos.

Palpatine/Sidious, Dooku, Anakin (he will not have the armor yet), Boba (although he won't kill any major Jedi), Aurra Sing, a couple of new bounty hunters, and the clone army will take out the rest of the Jedi.

I believe it will be Palpatine/Sidious who will kill Mace Windu. I think he's the only one powerful and with enough knowledge to do so. He may even take the surprise attack with Mace, using this advantage to finally reveal himself to the Jedi.

As was made clear in this film, love is not forbidden for Jedi, just attachment and possessions/possessiveness. As much as he is attached to Padme with love, its a very obsessive type attachment. His obsession with her make him very possessive of her. I think Padme will try to leave him when she sees how far he's gone to the dark side. Anakin feels he cannot allow this however, and will end up killing her, feeling its better for her to be dead than with someone else. This will be the act that makes him fully a part of the dark side.

During the Jedi purge Yoda will manage to run off seeing how outnumbered he is. Dooku will be the only one to catch his escape, and will chase him to the planet Dagobah. There, Yoda will kill Dooku there, leaving the dark presence in the cave on Dagobah which will later test Luke.

And Obi and Anakin will have a final showdown, Ani will fall in a volcano after nearly defeating Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan, thinking Anakin is dead, will take Anakin's lightsaber as a memento (which he'll later give to Luke) of a time before Anakin went to the darkside. Palpatine will later get out what little is left of Anakin and give him the mostly machine body of Darth Vader. Vader revealed for the first time (chronologically) in all his black armored glory will be the closing shot of the film.

 

Some interesting ideas there Crummy. The one that really intrigues me is Dooku following Yoda to Dagobah and Yoda defeating him, only to leave his body to rest in the tree cave. It'd be nice to know why that cave contains such a strong concentration of the dark side, and that'd be a very cool explanation.

 

I want to see Anakin, after he's already turned, take Yoda on, and have Yoda barely escape with his life

Funny this line comes from the guy who dresses as Vader.
Your just jealous because vader got beat and Yoda put the smackdown on Dooku?


Crummy that is a very good point about the Possessive part of Anakin. He sure comes off that way. Being a slave then followed by a Jedi he would never have to much in the way of possessions. Loosing what possessions he does manage to get would be very unnerving to him.

I really think Padme will be Pregnant at the beginning of the movie. They will not show the conception and the birth Just has to happen in movie for all the pieces to work. I.e. Anakin not knowing about Leia.

 

We've all wondered how Luke and Obi-Wan could stay "hidden" on Tatooine while they were still using the very familiar names Skywalker and Kenobi. I've gotten this weird picture into my head that's it's the good still left in Anakin that stops him from hunting down the two.

Something along the lines of, "Go hide on Tatooine, Obi-Wan. I won't go there to look for you. But if you find me, that's the end of it."

And in Episode 3 we had better learn where the heck the name Ben comes from.

 

Another thing I think about Episode 3:

I think the Jedi Council, at least at the highest level (i.e. Yoda and Mace), knew/know that Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas (sp?) didn't die 10 years ago. You'll notice they don't answer Obi-Wan when he asks "Didn't Master Sifo-Dyas die like ten years ago?" Instead they shoot each other looks like they know more than what they're telling him.

I think maybe the Council covered up Sifo-Dyas' exit by saying he was dead because what he did when he left or how he left would have shaken the faith of many Jedi, especially since it sounds like he was well-respected by the way the Kaminoans and Obi talk. Perhaps they're too ashamed to admit that a Sith Lord/Dark Jedi Master could be part of their council without them realizing/being able to sense it.

And by covering this up, they have started losing touch with the force. Mace says the Jedi aren't as connected as much to the force as they once were (or something to that effect).

And considering that Sifo-Dyas died around ten years ago, that would put it in the same timeframe as TPM. Its kind of a coincidence that Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas "died" around the same time Darth Sidious (which is awfully close to Sifo-Dyas) first appeared.

Its just a thought. And it would make it all the more tragic when the Jedi fall, if it was partly because of their own actions. I do think no matter what, the issue of why the Jedi aren't as connected to the force will come-up.

Also, I expect the issue to be raised about why the council doesn't sense Palpatine is evil, or at least don't admit it, to be addressed in the next film. Obi-Wan seems to have a clue that Palpy isn't all love and sweetness. Why wouldn't the more powerful Yoda and Mace? Have their compounded lies made it harder for them to speak against Palpatine without disgracing themselves?

This is totally on another subject, but I did hear for sure that Yoda's species will finally be addressed in Episode 3. How they will work this into the plot, I have absolutely no idea.

 

I very much agree that Mace and Yoda know a whole lot more than they're letting on. I'm actually more suspicious of Yoda. It bothered me a bit how quickly he was able to claim the Clones from Kamino and then bring them to Geonosis.

Someone erased Kamino from the Jedi Archives .. I haven't yet been able to dismiss the possibility that it was Yoda.

 

Well the cloners did think they where making the clones at the request of the Jedi council. Any high ranking Jedi could have shown up and taken command of the clones with out question.

I do agree Mace knows more and maybe Yoda knows more too.

I think maybe this Syfio dyis or what ever they called him just may have been a patsy for Dooku or Sidious. After he made the request for the clones Dooku took him out. It could be They impersonated this Jedi when making the request and they had killed him long before that.

 

Obi-Wan confirms with his questioning though that Sifo-Dyas was a Jedi Master, and its inferred I thought that he was also a Council Member. That said I doubt he's a patsy. I think he IS Darth Sidious and probably Palpatine as well (unless Palpy's a clone).

I think Dooku or Sifo-Dyas erased the Kamino file before they left the order. Why would Yoda erase it only to turn around and help Obi-Wan find the planet? Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of erasing the file in the first place?

That said Riibu, I too am highly suspicious of Yoda and Mace. Because Yoda and Mace seem to be so tight, I'd think they'd both have to be in on it. But you're right, Yoda is acting more secretive than Mace is.

 

OKAY!!

I agree with many of you! Good theories! I like the one about the TREE on Dagobah the best!
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I wont post repeat things since I agree with most of you, but instead things that you all missed!

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1. Who is Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas? Is this Darth Sideous?
Si (fo)Dyas = Si Deous?

2. The whole Lava pit thing came from a DYNAMITE magazine from the 70's, along with the thing about there being 9 chapters to the Lucas story. ( which is now false) Can anyone verify that the OBI WAN and VADER fight will be near some kind of lava pit?

3. "Always two there are. A master and an apprentice". I think, in the interest of poetry, Anakin will Kill Count Dooku to take his place at Palaptines side, just as Palpy tried to get Luke to kill Vader in ROTJ.

4. Padme must live. Leia says in ROTJ that her mother was very beautiful , but sad, and died when she was very young. She is old enough to remember her, so Either the kids are already born when EP 3 starts ( unlikely), or she lives beyond the movie.

5. In the interest of keeping the story line consistent. The viewer, or story reader must NOT know about Leia either. If nothing else we may not know her name when Episode 3 ends. This sets up the surprise for ROTJ.

6. When does Obi Wan become a General? It must be in this next one. Leia says " general kenobi. You served my father in the clone wars..."

 

It could be a title given to the Jedi during the war. Yoda is obviously in the position of a General during the Clone Attack. All the other Jedi are seen at the end leading the Clones. Even though the Clones never met Mace they go up to him call him sir and take orders.

Following a Jedi may be programmed into them. This could give Sidious more reason to make sure the Jedi are all gone. If his troopers are genetically made to follow Jedi orders any other Jedi would be a threat to his command.


Not knowing Leia's name is a good thought. That would keep it a surprise in Ep6. They just have to show how The twins are split up and how they do it without Anakins knowledge. I for one will be greatly disappointed if this isn't covered.

 

As far as Padme cannot die because Leia remembers her I do not agree. Leia does not have any actual memories of her mother, "just images really." I think Yoda, Obi-Wan or some other Jedi could easily have used the force to somehow implant in baby Leia images of who her mother was, so Padme wasn't forgotten and Leia could eventually discover her true heritage (which they needed her to if Luke failed or was found by the Emperor earlier in life). All Leia remembers is Padme looking sad. She does not have any real memories of Padme with her. This makes me believe she did not actually know her mother. Plus, in the interest of wrapping everything up, they need to explain what becomes of Padme and why she isn't in Episodes IV-VI. A vague explanation that she just died sometime, somehow when Leia was young doesn't exactly do that. A character as important to the over-all saga as Padme is deserves to have a death scene in the films, especially if minor characters like Beru, Owen, Biggs Darklighter, etc. get one. I don't think I'd be the only one bugged if we never get a complete explanation of what happened her. And in this case, no I don't think an EU way would be enough to cover it.

 

Why would Yoda erase it only to turn around and help Obi-Wan find the planet? Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of erasing the file in the first place?

I agree, it makes no sense. But I'm just that suspicious of Yoda right now.

In the interest of keeping the story line consistent. The viewer, or story reader must NOT know about Leia either. If nothing else we may not know her name when Episode 3 ends. This sets up the surprise for ROTJ.

Wouldn't this also mean that we can't know about Luke? Sure, everyone who's grownup after ESB has grownup knowing Vader is Luke's father, but it's still a *HUGE* revelation. Though it does seem it'd be hard to do so, since we're all anticipating seeing the delivery of the twins to their foster parents (or Luke, at least).

 

I also think that they will show the twins splitting up. I think that in EP 3 they will show more of how Padme knows Organa. You would think that they are somewhat close friends if her daughter is brought up by him. And, if she is alive when Leia is a child, Padme would also be staying with Organa. I personally think that Padme will died, or like I said before, Anakin may only believe that she is dead. They (being the Jedi) could do this to protect both her and the children from Anakin/the Emperor.

Ok, so I'm repeating myself now.

 

One of the major things that HAS to happen in the next film, is Anakin is going to have to do something VERY evil. We need to HATE him in order for the films in the original trilogy to work. I really don't want to feel any sympathy for him at the end of the film. I think Anakin killing Padme would be a good way to do it.

Also keep in mind James Earl Jones, HAS signed to do the third film, so that would indicate that Anakin's turn to the Dark Side and becoming Vader WILL happen before the end of the movie.

 

Just a few here.... not in any order.

1. The birth of the twins is HIDDEN from Anakin/Vader to protect them, so Anakin must have turned BEFORE the births.

2. Obi-Wan hides Luke on Tattoine with Owen and Beru and hides there himself, probably to keep an eye on Luke. Luke obviously knows "Old Ben" so we know they have a relationship before ANH.

3. Does Obi-Wan know about Leia being a daughter of Padme? Not sure. In ESB Yoda goes "there is another..." as if Obi-Wan didn't know Leia was Luke's sister. Maybe Obi-Wan sprinted Luke off right at birth, and after he left somebody goes, "Hey, there's twins here!" and Yoda hides her and Padme(?) with Bail Organa on Aldrean. This without Obi-Wans knowledge. The fewer aware, the better.

4. Dooku probably does die by Anakin's hand. And Anakin/Vader takes Dooku's place by the Emperor's side, similar to ROTJ.

5. The Jedi are loosing numbers fast in the fighting in the Clone Wars, being fewer and fewer, as more and more clonetroopers being produced, or shall we now call them Imperial Stormtroopers (probably have armor still clonetroopery, but with more stormtrooper similarities).

6. Because of his successes(?) with the war, Palpatine declares himself, or is awarded(?) the title of Emperor with the support of the Senate. Remember Lucas has talked about how Democracy's go towards Dictatorships with the APPROVAL of the people. Hitler didn't start a war to take over Germany, Germany gave him the power.

7. The Jedi find out Palpatine is Darth Sideous AFTER he's Emperor. They confront him, and he orders an edict that they are no longer needed, they're loose cannons, and are now outlaws. The Imperial Forces are all that's needed to "keep the peace."

8. Anakin, now Vader, hunts down the rest of the Jedi, with (of course) the Emperor's blessing. Anakin, kills a lot of Jedi in a huge fight (including Windu). But Obi-Wan rises to the occasion to deal with his "padawan learner."

9. The area of the big Lightsabre Jedi/Sith battle has a Volcanic eruption(?), or Troops come in for a "napalm" drop of some sort. Either way, some sort of epic event occurs. This is during/after Obi-wan does the slice and dice on Anakin. This way whatever Jedi are left are dead or dying. This way, they believe Obi-wan and Yoda are dead. Leaving them to hide out on Tatooine and Dagobah respectively.

10. Anakin gets his life-sustaining armor near the end of the film, and is offically Vader in body as well as in mind.

 

Remember,
Luke says Dagobah is "familiar"
I do believe the sealing of Anakins' turn to the darkside is he or someone killing Padme -and she dies in his arms
Only his 'good friend" Palpatine can "save him"
"Anakin/vader knows of the prgnancy - but not what the outcome was - he hides this from the emperor - because the emperor knows that the father&son combo is what will destroy him
Ben is Obi-Wan's father's name?
Obi wan takes baby luke to Yoda?
Padame belives Anakin to be dead and marries Bail Organa on ALdreann before the fateful fight that ends her life - That's why Leia has some memories of her.
Padame joins the battle for a last chance to "save" Anakin after she realizes that he isn't really dead.
Naboo becomes Dagobah (My daughter (11) heard that one.
MTFBWY
Just over 1000 days
Reb

 

Well, the one thing I thought was a really good observation was stolen by Crummy. I was going to say I think Palpatine and Master Sifo-Dyas are the same person. But he must have changed his appearance so that the Jedi don't recognize him.

 

I think Dooku actually killed Master Sifo-Dyas and used his identity to commission the clone army. Sidious = Sifo-Dyas doesn't make sense to me. Obi-Wan said Sifo-Dyas died nearly 10 years ago. Palpy was Senator from Naboo before that. The only way this might work is if Palpy and Sidious are not the same person.

 

Well, here's another wild thought
Siddous is Anakin's father - Just because Shimi can't remember or thinks nothing happened - it doesn't mean nothing did.
reb

 

All this talk is getting me dizzy...

but I love it!

Speculate we will on the fate of the next movie. But Only in the mind of master lucas will we find the true identity of the villian. - Quasi- Yoda

( I just had to say that...)

I was talking with a friend, and he has theory that Palpatine is a clone of Sideous? With all the talk of clones, and the cloned emperor in some of the novels. This could be a possiblity don't you think?