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Episode IV had the highest death count of any movie in the saga.

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by jedi_master_ousley, Sep 1, 2003.

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  1. jedi_master_ousley

    jedi_master_ousley Force Ghost star 8

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    Think about it... There was the destruction of a WHOLE PLANET, but a whole SPACE STATION full of people. Then of course we have the deaths on the Tantive IV, on the Death Star, and the deaths of the space battle.
     
  2. kingthlayer

    kingthlayer Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Yep, you're right.

    Infact, with the destruction of an entire planet, and a battle station with the capacity of a moon, I wouldn't be suprised if ANH doesn't have the highest death count of every movie ever made.
     
  3. jedi_master_ousley

    jedi_master_ousley Force Ghost star 8

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    Yeah, and the funniest thing is that people think Episode III should be rated PG-13 because of all the death we'll probably see. It's nothing compared to ANH.
     
  4. kingthlayer

    kingthlayer Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    True, but there was no PG-13 back when ANH was made. I don't think that was introduced until Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.

    Still, I understand what you mean. :D
     
  5. jedi_masta_fullmz

    jedi_masta_fullmz Jedi Youngling star 1

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    The Temple of Doom was PG bro.
     
  6. jango_joe

    jango_joe Jedi Padawan star 4

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    dont forget Aunt Beru and unlce Owen. :p

     
  7. AssassinDroid21

    AssassinDroid21 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Well, some people still think Naboo = Dagobah so the death count could surpass Episode 4's according to them, Ousley, but you're right otherwise.

    And hey Jango Joe, haven't seen you around in a while.
     
  8. redleader92055

    redleader92055 Jedi Youngling star 2

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    don't forget about Greedo....never mind just a stupid Rodian anyway
     
  9. winter_chili

    winter_chili Jedi Master star 5

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    episode 3 could trump it
     
  10. Duro_Blade

    Duro_Blade Jedi Master star 3

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    Very true, my master.
     
  11. ST-TPM-ASF-TNE

    ST-TPM-ASF-TNE Moderator Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    If A New Hope were to be rated today, I still think it would only be PG. Yes, many people die in it, but the key is we never see them die. We only see Alderaan from space, and never see them suffer when the planet is destroyed. We never see the people inside the Death Star when it's destroyed either. And all the deaths we actually see on screen are not bloody or gruesome, with the exception of Owen and Beru.

    I think the movie that is closest to a PG-13 movie, thus far, has been Attack of the Clones. Less people are killed, but in Attack of the Clones we see three decapitations, two limbs chopped off, Geonosians cut in two, Obi-Wan get stabbed in the leg and arm, Cliegg with half of his leg missing, and Shmi beaten up and bloody.
     
  12. Gaeri

    Gaeri Jedi Knight star 6

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    A New Hope was originally only supposed to be rated G. They threw the bloody arm into the cantina scene to bump it up to PG, 'cause Lucas thought a G movie would never make it in the box offices.

    It probably has to do with just seeing distant explosions and not seeing the actual people die. I had never really considered the extraordinary death count compared to other movies until now.
     
  13. Kit-Fisto7BA

    Kit-Fisto7BA Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I believe your right because most of the deaths in AOTC wouldn't count because they were droids and not regular people.
     
  14. hawk

    hawk Jedi Knight star 5

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    I think the movie that is closest to a PG-13 movie, thus far, has been Attack of the Clones. Less people are killed, but in Attack of the Clones we see three decapitations, two limbs chopped off, Geonosians cut in two, Obi-Wan get stabbed in the leg and arm, Cliegg with half of his leg missing, and Shmi beaten up and bloody.

    I disagree. Again, it doesn't matter how much violent acts are in the film. So long as the tone isn't grim, the violent acts can be tame. Take the violence in the Monty Pythons films and compare that with the violence in Deliverance for example.

    I would say TESB is the most intense of the SW films. Here are some examples:

    When Vader throws the machinery at Luke, he takes a terrible beating. Afterwards, his face is clearly bloodied and bruised and he looks to be exhausted.

    When Vader cuts off Luke's hand he screams in agony whilst Anakin in AOTC passes out. Certainly, passing out= more pain but passing out does not = harsher tone. It is an example of fluffed violence. In Robocop 3, villains shot go flying through the glass and so it looks more dramatic hiding the fact that in R1 and 2, the acts of violence lingered and showed characters in agony.

    Han Solo being tortured by Vader. When I was young, I was a bit disturbed by Harrison's screams of pain and the simple look of that machine he was getting zapped with.


    I think ultimately, the tone of the violence is the key. That can usually be understood by how much we see character's suffer and how realistic their suffering seems. In AOTC, the only time I saw genuine suffering from violence is when Anakin is hit with force lightning and a brief shot when Padme rushes to his aid.
     
  15. Spike2002

    Spike2002 Former FF-UK RSA and Arena Manager star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    All the OT films are rated U in the UK, regardless of the violence. U is an equivalent of a G I do believe.
     
  16. Darth_Deagol

    Darth_Deagol Jedi Master star 2

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    I don't think that the slaughtered Jawas in ANH have been mentioned yet. That increases the death count marginally.

    In all probability Billions of beings died in [the making of] ANH.
     
  17. Darth_Fisto

    Darth_Fisto Jedi Master star 4

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    "All the OT films are rated U in the UK, regardless of the violence. U is an equivalent of a G I do believe."

    Yup, and The Phantom Menace is also a U. AOTC was cut to get a PG. That means it could have been a 12 (at that time). This is the reason I had to import the Australian DVD to get it uncut but still PAL.
     
  18. Spike2002

    Spike2002 Former FF-UK RSA and Arena Manager star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Damn, I would've liked to have a seen a 12 Star Wars movie.
     
  19. yodaschum

    yodaschum Jedi Padawan star 4

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    TPM reads PG on my box and I'm from the UK.
     
  20. orangefuzz

    orangefuzz Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I have a UK Star Wars poster with a little "U" anderneath the titlies of the movies. It's cool.
     
  21. Daughter_of_Yubyub

    Daughter_of_Yubyub Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    True, but there was no PG-13 back when ANH was made. I don't think that was introduced until Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.

    I think it was brought in for Gremlins...

    I doubt that Ep. 3 would have a planet and a space station go boom.

    YubYub and TG- Protecting fangirls from hormonally gifted fanboys since 2002
     
  22. GRANDADMIRALAXLROSE

    GRANDADMIRALAXLROSE Jedi Knight star 7

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    me too. i mean I really doubt that the deatch count of ANH will ever be matched in any movie, not just star wars.
     
  23. Salacious_B_Crumb

    Salacious_B_Crumb Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Although ANH does have the highest death count, ROTJ might have the saddest scene/music (about halfway through the Ewok/Endor Battle).
     
  24. Cometgreen

    Cometgreen Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Interesting. I seemed to have forgot about Alderan. But still...all those poor independent contractors on Death Star II. :(

    :p

    Cometgreen, who thought Hot Shots Part Deux was the bloodiest movie ever ;)
     
  25. jedi_master_ousley

    jedi_master_ousley Force Ghost star 8

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    True, but there was no PG-13 back when ANH was made. I don't think that was introduced until Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.

    You're right. Back then, it went right from PG to R, and it seemed that Temple of Doom (I'm pretty sure that's the right IJ movie) was too violent for PG, but not enough so for R. So they invented a new rating that would compromise the two current ratings.
     
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