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EU Ventress Rattataki

Discussion in 'EU Community' started by Darth Vectivus, Feb 12, 2024.

  1. Darth Vectivus

    Darth Vectivus Jedi Knight star 4

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    Does anyone else consider that in Legends Ventress is not a Dathomir witch but a Rattataki? in the Clone Wars Multimedia Project they say that Ventress is from Rattatak in TCW show it seems that Ventress has the same origin story as in Legends being rescued by a Jedi in Rattatak but everything changes when they reveal that Ventress is a witch from Dathomir also in TCW Ventress betrays Dooku in 18 BBY while in Clone Wars Multimedia Project Dooku betrays Ventress in 19 BBY so TCW show and Clone Wars Multimedia Project cannot be part of the same continuity and if we look at bigger contradictions Adi Gallia death is different in TCW show than in Clone Wars Multimedia Project Sora Bulq is still a Jedi in TCW Valorum is still alive the Mandalorians are different and Quinlan Vos is not spying Dooku Aurra Sing is not a Dark Jedi Dooku Dark Jedi army dont exist etc so for me TCW show it only happens in Disney canon and Lucas universe but not in Legends universe EU version of Clone Wars is Clone Wars Multimedia Project so in this universe/reality Ventress is a Rattataki for me
     
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  2. Reymet_2

    Reymet_2 Jedi Master star 1

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    Indeed, the last years of the Lucasfilm period of Star Wars universe in fact anticipated the "canon reset" made by Disney. Starting from season 3, The Clone Wars had been contradicting the old Expanded Universe more and more so it was not Disney's idea to throw the old stories into a trash can named "Legends".
    It would be really better if Disney had done the "canon reset" in such a manner - putting TCW into the new canon, and EU into the old one. But they did what they did (put TCW into both continuities) - so even within the Legends continuity there are contradictions (and TCW even there "outrank" the old EU stories so now they are basically completely non-canon).

    But even if they've done like you said, there would be an issue with TCW tie-in media. If TCW are only in the new canon, the tie-in media released must be also there - but starting from season 3, TCW also started contradicting its own earlier tie-in media (particularly the Shipyards of Doom and Slaves of the Republic comics)
     
  3. Darth Vectivus

    Darth Vectivus Jedi Knight star 4

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    Yes i also see TCW show as a Semi Reboot for me all TCW novels and comics are infinities not canon to either EU or Disney canon when you read the Clone Wars Multimedia Project and watch all TCW show you will realize that both stories cannot fit into the same continuity
     
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  4. Reymet_2

    Reymet_2 Jedi Master star 1

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    Well, most of them actually can fit into Disney canon. Graphic novella The Sith Hunters, for example, directly dovetails with the Maul-Savage arc from season 4. TCW webcomics released during season 1's airing were direct prequels for their respective episodes (and the inter-season Hunting the Hunters webcomics were direct sequels for the last episode of the season 1). Act on Instinct (webcomic released during season 2's airing) dovetails with the season 2's second episode. Out of the Titan Magazines comics, most are not directly related to the show's events (however, some, such as Sabotage which directly dovetails the Ventress-Oppress arc of season 3, are), but don't contradict them in any sense.

    There are only two contradictions between the TCW animated series and its tie-in media: The Shipyards of Doom graphic novella contradicts the Citadel arc of season 3 and Slaves of the Republic comic arc contradicts the Zygerria arc of season 4 (there are also issues with the Nintendo DS version of the Republic Heroes game, but because some of this game's missions are basically adaptations of the respective TCW episodes, such contradictions seem to be inevitable, just like between, for example, RotS movie and game). In both cases, we see Filoni just stealing ideas from the comics (in first case, he stole the idea of passing through Separatist defenses using Carbonite freezing, in the second case he stole the whole plot). It looks like during season 3's production Filoni made a decision not to give a **** about previously released tie-in media. And simultaneously he made a decision not to give a **** about the previous (2002-2005) Clone Wars multimedia project.
     
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  5. Darth Vectivus

    Darth Vectivus Jedi Knight star 4

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    With the contradictions that Disney is making lately with its own material, i believe that TCW novels and comics do not fit into any Universe EU or Disney , i would make them non canon or Infinites