Fact Files Clone Wars Map--thoughts and requests

Separatist Worlds:
Balmorra
Neimoidia
Cato Neimoidia
Muunilinst
Tynna
Cularin [I thought they were staunch Loyalists?]
Falleen
Geonosis
Omwat [I didn't think they were isolated at this time]
Xagobah
Queyta
Clak'dor VII
Sluis Van
Sullust
Rattatak
Bespin
Thyferra
Yag'Dhul
Moorja
Bestine
Tarhassen
Ord Cantrell
Null
Ord Janon
Mirial [must make Luminara nad Barriss sad!]
Jabiim
Rhen Var
Raxus Prime
Siskeen
Cyphar


Note that Ando and what I believe is Hypori are shown on the map as "undecided," which is hogwash. Ando is a founding CIS member!

Loyalist Worlds:
Desevro? [I think that's what it says]
Aargonar
New Holstice
Mon Calamari
Ryloth
Excarga
Roon
Kamino
Kashyyyk
Alderaan
Kuat
Agamar [I though HNN said it was Separatist]
Ithor
Kiffex/Kiffu
Cerea
Malastare
Eriadu
Lok
Zolan [I thought Gamer said it was Separatist]
Rodia
Devaron
Nubia
Bassadro
Coruscant
Ansion
Ilum

There are a lot of undecided worlds, but I won't list them all, especially since I can't read some of the names.

Mistakes/Possible Mistakes List:
1) Omwat--I am pretty sure Tarkin kept Omwat a secret during the Prequel Era, so how could they be CIS?

2) Cularin--I thought Cularin was Loyalist and bitter enemies of the CIS world Thare?

3) Ando left the Republic before AOTC. Senator Po Nudo of Ando was a founder of the CIS in AOTC at Geonosis. More recent HNN articles discuss the battles between the Loyalist Aqualish of Andosha II vs. the CIS Aqualish of Ando. How can they call Ando undecided?

4) I have problems reading some of the names, but one of the undecided planets looks like "Hypori," the world General Greivous appears on in the CW cartoon, which should be CIS?

5) Agamar left the Republic prior to AOTC in HNN. Why would they be called Loyalist?

6) Didn't the Clawdites take over Zolan and join the CIS acc. to Gamer? Why is Zolan called Loyalist?

Some Other Thoughts:
1) Where are Skako, Castell, and Koorivar? These are major CIS homeworlds; why are they not on the map?
2) If the CIS controls Thyferra, what do the Loyalists do for Bacta?
3) If Sullust is a CIS world [which is correct, since HNN showed SoroSuub as having strong ties to the Commerce Guild], why doesn't Den Dhur consider that when he talks of going back to his homeworld to retire? He seems fairly Loyalist, right?

Planet Names I can't make out:
LEFT SIDE OF MAP
Planet near Geonosis [may be Siskeen?]
Planet nearest Ilum
Three planets beyond ANoth
planet b/w Bilbringi and Carratos
RIGHT SIDE OF MAP
Planet b/w Gravlex Med and Serenno
Planet b/w Caluula and Raxus [may be Desevro?]
2 planets b/w Ossus and Anzat
Planet in Hutt Space near Klatooine w/two-word name
planet b/w Aduba-3 and BArab I
planet b/w Roon and Excarga [Hypori?]
planet b/w Chalacta and Toydaria

 

2) Cularin--I thought Cularin was Loyalist and bitter enemies of the CIS world Thare?

Well, the Fact Files map must be wrong then, they probably confused Thaere Privo with Cularin.

Agamar [I though HNN said it was Separatist]

That's right, Agamar and the Lahara Sector(with 245 agricultural worlds) seceded weeks before Geonosis.

3) If Sullust is a CIS world [which is correct, since HNN showed SoroSuub as having strong ties to the Commerce Guild], why doesn't Den Dhur consider that when he talks of going back to his homeworld to retire? He seems fairly Loyalist, right?

I wondered this myself while reading the book. Could Sullust again be part of the Republic by that point in the war? Sluis Van was also staunchly Separatist, but suddenly in Jedi Trial, they're loyal to the Republic!

Omwat also seems like a mistake. But maybe, before Tarkin and the Republic, CIS found the planet and it was a secret member for a while?

Ando, also a mistake. The planet is definitely Separatist.

Falleen is also CIS? I thought they were loyalists!

Bassadro and Aargonar were Separatists for a time. The Republic invaded both planets.

 

I guess you are thinking Falleen is loyalist b/c of Sen. Zurros in Jedi: Dooku, which is what I have been thinking too. Well, we know Zurros was a double agent, so apparently he was still in good standing with the Republic, but I guess that doesn't prove his sector was. Here are some observations:

1) In Jedi: Yoda, the Sen. of Thustra is still regarded as a good-standing member of the Republic Senate and a Loyalist although his world and its goverment have joined the CIS.

2) Mon Calamari's govt. remained [mostly] Loyalist even when Sen. Tikkes joined the CIS.

Also, we know Dooku felt Zurros had betrayed him, so he sent Quinlan to assassinate him; Vos did not do so, but scared Zurros into 100% loyalty to Dooku. Perhaps Zurros [and Falleen itself?] openly joined the CIS AFTER this incident?

The only other Falleen I can think of in the CW of signifcance is the SBI agent in that short story with Joram and Mapper, but he lived and worked on Coruscant, so he could be a Loyalist expatriate.

Palpatine may have found out about Tarkin's discovery of Omwat, and as D. Sidious might have told Dooku, so perhaps the CIS started training Omwati as scientists before the rest of the Galaxy knew the world existed. Of course, the Republic could get Omwati scientists from the colony on Coruscant

 

Here you go, Senator:

Planet Names I can't make out:
LEFT SIDE OF MAP
Planet near Geonosis [may be Siskeen?] - Yep
Planet nearest Ilum - Kril'dor
Three planets beyond ANoth - Dosuun (top), Yalara (left of Anoth), Zonju V (below)
planet b/w Bilbringi and Carratos - Aphran
RIGHT SIDE OF MAP
Planet b/w Gravlex Med and Serenno - Bimmiel
Planet b/w Caluula and Raxus [may be Desevro?] - Eredenn
2 planets b/w Ossus and Anzat - above Ossus is Cron Drift, above Anzat is Adega (I think
these are the ones you mean)
Planet in Hutt Space near Klatooine w/two-word name - Nar Kreeta
planet b/w Aduba-3 and BArab I - Rinn
planet b/w Roon and Excarga [Hypori?] - Yep
planet b/w Chalacta and Toydaria - If it's to the left and slightly below Chalacta it's Ruusan

 

What map are you refering to? I got the whole Fact File but there is no map of the Clone Wars, just the general GFFA Map? please post a scan of the map and explain your sources, thx

 

Fett: Thanks a million! And thanks for the map in the first place! At last I know all the planets on it, thanks to you
So they have Ruusan on 2 different places on the map, one the place by Chalacta, also the place by onderon. LOL!

I can make out Cron Drift and you are right about Adega, but just southof Ossus and Anzat is a "-ooine" planet I couldn't make out. I figured out is was Handooine, b/c it was close to Jabiim. Interesting that Eredenn is in the Tion I wish the map showed Sarapin--strange that it does not. Do you see it? It would be in the Core.


I don't know how to do that posting scans things, but I could email it to you if you PM me your email address

 

Question: Is there a map featuring the ancient worlds of KOTOR, the ancient world Mandalore and featuring more detailed routes through the galaxy (not only the Hydian Way and the main routes)?

If so, tell me, send me, help me, and maybe you get a hug and some sweets

 

I know of no such map

The best map I know of is still nav-computer.com

I am unfamiliar with the planets of Jedi Outcast and jedi Academy, so I didn't recognize a lot of those planet names, just found out what they were by doing a google ssearch. Is Taspir III on the map somewhere, since it is also in those games.

If anyone could give me a lowdown on the following JO/JA planets, I would appreciate it:

Nar Kreeta
Kril'dor
Dosuun
Yalara
Zonju V
Blenjeel
Taspir III

 

thx, know nav-comp, it´s cool.

so you got PM with my mail adress, I am impatient but will have to wait.

 

I have sent a copy of the map to you and the webmaster of TUCWS. Note the scan is from LAJ_Fett originally, so remember to thank him.

 

THX alot to you and to Fett as well, in which issue was this map included?

Ceiran

 

Here a link to an huuuge map from Insider magazine: http://www.rpgplanet.com/starwars/articles/swi/map-total.jpg

 

Fett: Thanks a million! And thanks for the map in the first place! At last I know all the planets on it, thanks to you You're welcome

So they have Ruusan on 2 different places on the map, one the place by Chalacta, also the place by onderon. LOL! Yes, Ruusan is on there twice

I can make out Cron Drift and you are right about Adega, but just south of Ossus and Anzat is a "-ooine" planet I couldn't make out. I figured out is was Handooine, b/c it was close to Jabiim. Yes, that one is Handooine.
Interesting that Eredenn is in the Tion I wish the map showed Sarapin--strange that it does not. Do you see it? It would be in the Core. Sarapin is on there - find Kuat and Ebaq and it's kinda between the two.

Question: Is there a map featuring the ancient worlds of KOTOR, the ancient world Mandalore and featuring more detailed routes through the galaxy (not only the Hydian Way and the main routes)?
Mandalore isn't on this - in fact I don't recall seeing it on any of the maps I have


Here in the UK the map came with FactFile issue #139.
Also I received an email yesterday from cartographer - he is working on putting the map information on navcomputer.com and I cleared up some of the same planet names for him. So keep an eye on his site for updates!

 

Cartographer and LAJ Fett are both heroes!

GG9 mentioned Mandalore Sector in the Outer Rim. This site, made by a guy who seems very knowledgeable about WEG cartography, speculates it is near the Wheel; I am unsure why he thinks that, but he usually has reasons for his guesses:
http://swi.starwarsclub.org/galaxy/map/sectors.htm

We also need a map to show us Concord Dawn, since that is Jango's homeworld.

And if they have the planets from Jedi Academy, then I wonder why not the planets from Jedi Outcast, such as Kejim?

 

Are you allowed to direct link that Insider map here? It was done last year and requested to be removed, if I remember right.

Not that it isn't absolutely awesome.

The map says the galaxy is 100,000 lightyears across, when Shield of Lies said 120k.

 

I don't think I have seen Concord Dawn on any of the maps I have.

 

Concord Dawn is close to Mandalore if I remember right, my theory is that the Mandalorian Space they formerly controlled was annected into the Republic after their defeat in the Mandalorian Wars (see KOTOR) and few Mandalorians continued as mercenary groups, while most of them took other jobs or turned their home planets into peaceful worlds. So I asume that Concord Dawn lies in the Outer Rim close to Mandalore, and I´d place them both close to the former Sith Empire (Ziost, Korriban, Yavin) and Jedi Worlds like Ossus. So someplace above Yavin or next to the Tion Sector and Cron Drift.

I altered a map for a rpg with friends and placed Mandalore left to the Cron Drift between Ossus and Anzat but close to the Mid Rim Boarders.

 

Considering the Battle of Basilisk and Basilisk War Droids, Basilisk is probably close to Mandalore Sector.

Here are some possible locations for JOutcast worlds:

Cairn [Lenico system]--in the same sector as Phaeda and Ord Cantrell in the Outer Rim, but closer to the Core, also closer to Dathomir

Kejim--perhaps somewhere near Tatooine, based on Kyle's previous mission and the fact the Tatooiners received orders from Kejim

Artus Prime--in the innermost part of the Outer Rim, north of Bilbringi

Are there any other new planets/worlds/moons/asteroids/specks of dust in space in Jedi Outcast?

 

The map says the galaxy is 100,000 lightyears across, when Shield of Lies said 120k.

The map is mistaken. Numerous sources, including ITW:TPM and ITW:AOTC support that the Galactic Republic/Empire is 120,000 light-years across.

 

Fact Files are rather notoriously poorly researched and edited.

 

The map is mistaken. Numerous sources, including ITW:TPM and ITW:AOTC support that the Galactic Republic/Empire is 120,000 light-years across.

Agreed. From what I've seen, they don't seem to follow the same rules of continuity as a map published in Star Wars Insider or an official publication like the DK books. Leland Chee says that "The most comprehensive map of the Star Wars galaxy to date was included with Star Wars Insider #65." The SWFF frankly seems like they're rife with fanwank material. One of them had the Falcon's atmospheric speed at less than an F-16 fighter jet IIRC!

 

DeFett and others, need your help:


In Germany the Fact Files ended with the Index being #121 and I heard the UK Files run through #140.

So did German File end early or how is it explained? Is the UK stuff packed into 121 issues in germany? anybody know this? it is importand because I didn´t find the Clone Wars Map in my collection of all the 121 german fact files.

Please help me, I need your help, or a highg res scan of the map for a projekt I am on. thx

 

I'm not sure on the map issue, but there was a Fact File thread over on rebelscum where one of the German posters and I compared the extra content in the UK issues to the German issues. It turned out that the German issues had been either one or two entries longer than the UK issues. Those missing entries were what we got at the end, and they seemed to be the more oddball entries at that. If you dig up the old Fact File thread on this board ( I think there is a link in the index at the top) all of the final UK issues are listed. All of the extra entries we got had already appeared in the German issues. However, I don't know if the map did.
I did a scan of the map and have sent it to a few people (as you can see in this thread). However, the print is quite small and it didn't come out real well. I can send my scans to you if you PM me an email address.

 

I agree with Bob. Two Ruusans and apparently two Rishis.

I think the original Insider map's locations for Rishi and Kamino make more sense than the newer locations on the CW map and in NJO books.

 

already got your map, DeFett and thx for the help. But Is it only me or are there lots of new worlds not seen before on other maps that are marked undecided?

could you list the undecided worlds (with small indx of where they are located? next to xy or b/w a & b etc.), because I am trying to do my own map based on the navcomp one for my rpg and it seems there's much I can´t identify and that is also new besides which was cleared in the thread already.