Mini Series From Acolyte to The Phantom Menace:Rise of the Sith (ACOLYTE FINALE SPOILERS)

Now that Darth Plagueis is confirmed as Qimir’s master, and has been lurking in the shadows while season one was unfolding, I’m curious as to where the Sith go from here until they are revealed in the TPM. What is canon mostly comes from Plapatine’s/Sidious’ accounts, with the timing of Plagueis’ death still ambiguous; Legends has it close to Palpatine becoming Chancellor (but that’s not currently canon). We know Plagueis was seeking immortality and eventually was able to create life as well as prolong it by transferring one’s essence into a new body (as Palpatine was able to do so as well).


It would seem that the first season of Acolyte has established how Plagueis discovered the ability to create life, particularly life that is unnaturally force sensitive (Sol really seemed to pique Qimir’s interest when he was explaining to Mae how she and Osha were created). We don’t yet know how he learned to transfer life between bodies but maybe that bit is in season two; there is the whole Osha/Mae merge thats been discussed but hasn’t happened yet (or it just doesn’t get told how he figures it out).


From here it’s just speculation/fan fiction to fill in the dealings of the Sith between Acolyte and TPM.

-The Osha/Mae story is significant only to establish the pretext of the Sith’s rise/ Palpatine’s Origin

-Plagueis and Qimir want immortality but Plagueis fears losing his power; the midichlorians that exist in a beings blood determine its force sensitivity. So Plagueis needs a force sensitive body to take over or else he will become powerless.

-Plagueis and Qimir use the force (a vergence) to create Sheev Palpatine, an incredibly force sensitive body that also happens to well placed in Naboo’s Nobility.

-Qimr realizes that his master is going to be reborn into a being younger and even more powerful than himself, and therefore he will never become the Master (or have an apprentice of his own like he professed to desiring earlier in the Acolyte).

-The way Qimir encourages Osha to channel her negative emotions is eerily reminiscent of Palpatine, and they both seem to have a similar sociopathic vibe…sooo

-Qimir is Sidious, and when Plagueis is vulnerable he murders him and takes over the young Palpatines body for himself.

-At this point what happens to the Rule of Two is uncertain as Darth Maul would not yet be in the picture. Perhaps Osha stuck around and steps up as the apprentice in the meantime.

-Qimir is known to have travelled under the guise of a trader, and having recognized the practical use of such a disguise begins to establish the beginnings of the trade federation as a vessel to clandestinely spread the Sith Empire throughout the galaxy.

-A young Palpatine secretly pulls the strings of the Sith/Trade Federation from behind the scenes.

-At some point Osha’s baggage catches up to her or her intimate knowledge of Sidious’ origin makes her undesirable and she is killed and replaced with Maul.


Another glaring question that hasn’t really been answered definitely is Anakin’s origin, and if in fact he was the chosen one or created by Palpatine (or Plagueis? or Osha?, they are the only other ones to have known this ability but are presumably dead).

-There is the whole prophecy that a chosen one will bring balance to the force. Sticking to that, I think it sits best if Anakin is in fact the Chosen One created by the Force itself to counter Palpatines creation by the Darkside. Divine creation also sounds better for a chosen one story, and I think that whole Anakin/Luke/Skywalker arc played well and doesn’t need to be revisited with some sinister origin that also has to explain how he was forgotten on Tatooine.

Thoughts?
Thanks for reading
Aethereon Rex

 

Interesting reflection!

 

Interesting speculation. I hadn’t thought of Palpatine being a vessel for another Sith Lord but it’s not impossible.

Your very first sentence is a leap though. It hasn’t been confirmed that Palgueis is Qimir’s master. It might be likely, but he was only shown on the same planet watching them. I wouldn’t say it’s confirmed

 

How and why is Qimir actually Sidious? Palpatine is Sidious.

I think you're making things far too convoluted and confusing with no real purpose.

This series happens like 50 years at least before Palps is even born. Playing with the ages of the background alien characters is one thing, but making Palpatine actually 80ish years older than he already, plus a dark side creation, plus possessed by Qimir, would be dumb. If he's from Naboo nobility than they'd have a record of him existing 100 years earlier too.

The Rule of Two is fine. Every apprentice wants to kill the Master. Some/Most/All need help to do so. Qimir and Osha aren't gonna make it.

I suspect that Qimir wants to over take and kill his master... and needs help. The two of them will try to kill Plagueis. They will most likely lose. And i suspect Plagueis had a hand in Osha's creation and wants her as his new apprentice, should she prove powerful enough, and will probably try to pit Osha against Qimir.

In the background, Vernestra will discover what happened to her old failed padawan, continue to keep things covered up to protect the Order from outside interference. And then likely just as she finds out that he's a Sith, and what that actually means, she'll die before she can tell anyone.

 

The Thread from The Acolyte to The Phantom Menace will be Darth Plagueis...

 

Yea I guess you are right there, their relationship isn’t truly established at this point. I kind of stuck to that idea as it’s the basis of my theory, perhaps I’ll revisit this after season 2.

 

The ideas in my theory weren’t meant to be exclusively for the second season of Acolyte, more so to fit somewhere on the entire timeline between the show and the prequels. So little is known of what the Sith hand been up to before there reveal in prequels that I am trying to take the information and expand it beyond the Acolyte.
As for how Qimir is Sidious? I theorized that Palpatine was specifically created with purpose to be taken over in an attempt at living forever. With that in mind if Qimir becomes Palpatine, then they are both Sidious, Or Sidious is both of them. This definitely wouldn’t be in season 2

 

I am not familiar with the EU, but is Palpatine's age actually confirmed? Sure, in the old EU his age was confirmed, but if we just go by the movies, it's not impossible that Palpatine is much older than he seems. This goes back to the idea that Palpatine's external appearance as a senator could be the mask, and when he gets hit by his own lightning (in ROTS) the mask disappears.

 

I like that Palpatine is just a mortal human and its why he seeks Immortality. Plagueis has more patience and time as he can live 200-500.

 

Sure anything is possible. But why make it convoluted?

Why make Qimir to be actually Sidious? How does that make any sense? Qimir is nothing like Palpatine. They're both smart. But not a like. And it's rather strange to want Palpatine - a beloved evil character - to not really be Palpatine, but instead have him actually be this other guy named Qimir who's living inside of Palpatine, who was his force creation...

That's overly complicated. And speaks nothing about why no one on Naboo asks why Palpatine who was born 100 years ago, still looks like he's 55.

This story is about Osha and Mae. It's not Palpatine - An Origin Story. We're 50 years before Sheeve should be born. Plenty of time for Qimir and Osha to try to take down Plagueis, only for them to fail, have nothing to do whatsoever with future apprentices, and then decades later Palpatine joins the Sith.

Not every single SW Force story needs Palpatine. It's time to leave him out of this. He's a great villain. He had his time. If this series turns into - Qimir is really Palpatine and is living inside of him -- ugh. I've expressed in the past that i hate Sith Highlander. It's just dumb. It robs so much of the story just for a whamie surprise.

 

Don’t misunderstand me, I don’t think Qimir is Palpatine, and I certainly hope he isn’t.

 

Umm.....I'm sure he isn't.

 

I think the proposed narrative might be that he takes over someone else’s body.

That said, I’ve already seen “Mog is Palpatine” theories out there.

 

Love the theory. I can see some “fans” losing their…ya know… if Qimir was the floating Sith entity that inhabited Palpatine.

It does take away from The Emperor being the big bad in the movies. Somehow Qimir returned…

 

My least favorite SWs property it TFA.. but honestly structurally, rise of Skywalker did more damage. I really really wish Plageius had come back in that instead of Palpy. I don't like the idea of Qimir as Palps, probably even worse than being back Palps and that is by far my least favorite change that has been made. I think Rise of Skywalker does as much as it can with those scenes and Ian is great in them, but I don't think it was the right decision. This wouldn't be either no matter how well the involved scenes are made.

 

Maybe it's like this: So Acolyte S2X1 Opens with the fated Rwoh/Yoda meeting. Rwoh tells Yod the whole Truth as she understands it. Keep in mind Rwoh does NOT know her old student, we'll call him Rondis Borta or maybe Riv Swarta, or some other SW name, is a Sith Lord

Spoiler

with Osha as his new Acolyte

. Meanwhile we go back to Mae , who keeps waking up with visions of her past misdeeds coming to her at night, knowing in her self that they are true revelations of her past. She is Quaid, so to speak, so she wants to only do right from now on. She tells Venestra Rhwo she knows where to find "Qimir".

They go to

Spoiler

Baldemic

and Rhwoh faces off with "Quimir" and he kills her. Meanwhile Mae attempts to win Osha back to the light and they fight but it is a stalemate. Mae escapes through Hyperspace and goes to Brendock.
Then, loophole closed, the rest of Season 2 focuses on Plaguies, Tenebrous, Venemous, Quimir and Osha training in the shadows and their shadowy adventures. Do it! Maybe in Episode 8 Plaguis could kill Tenebrous, stow away on a ship, go to Muunilinst, then to Naboo and meet a young Sheev Palpatine. Or that may be Season 3.

 

Like the sound of all of this

 

Spoiler: Hello There!

Some very interesting ideas/speculation in this thread. While The Acolyte may be cancelled the story of the Sith will probably be continued and could be great storytelling. While I had several criticisms, the overall story of reclusive Force-witches discovering life creation wasn’t lore-breaking imo, and could play into the PT nicely if done carefully.

 

Totally agree