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Galactic Alliance Information and Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Literature' started by AdmiralNick22 , Sep 7, 2005.

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  1. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Retired Fleet Admiral star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Hello all.

    Well, I have not posted a thread in quite some time, having been content to merely post in threads that I have always been associated with. (Fleet Junkies Ho! :D) But, being a fan of the political and governmental aspects of Star Wars as well, I thought it might be interesting to create a thread that combines all the information we know about the Galactic Alliance. My hope would be that this could turn into a resource that has all available information on the Alliance government, military, worlds, key individuals, etc.

    This is not a thread which I want to have conspiracy theories in. Nor do I want to see it degenerate into a thread of "Cal Omas is Palpatine" or "The GA sucks". If that is your intent, please go post in someone elses thread. This is for serious discussion only.

    Anyways, I figured that it would be best to start off by discussin what sort of government the Galactic Alliance is. The indication is that it is far more of a federal republic than the New Republic ever was. Afterall, one of the names Cal Omas considered for the new government was the Federal Galactic Republic (See Destiny's Way for more details). That leads me to believe that the Alliance is structured along a system that has very distincitve branches of government, including the executive, legislative, and judicial. This is the opposite of the New Republic model, which seemed to have all power in the legislative, including the courts.

    As we begin to complie information on the Galactic Alliance I will compile it and post it in form of a update that sumarizes all of our discussions.

    So, lets get started. :)

    --Adm. Nick
     
  2. Genghis12

    Genghis12 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Nick...
    "Afterall, one of the names Cal Omas considered for the new government was the Federal Galactic Republic (See Destiny's Way for more details). That leads me to believe that..."

    So, I suppose you're of the belief that because Charlemagne happend to name his institution the "Holy Roman Empire," that it therefore was "holy," "Roman," and an "Empire?"

    In Star Wars, names have had very little connection to what the government actually was. Naming the New Republic "the New Republic" was pretty much nothing more than a symbolic political move, having little to do with the structure of that particular government.
     
  3. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    The preceeding government, actually, didn't have a conception of a legislative branch. It was an elective parliamentary democracy, much as the Old Republic was.

    Until we know the nitty-gritty specifics of the GA (sourcebooks, anyone? :D), anything we say would be mere speculation. I'm unsure of they've made the transition from confederation to federalization as yet, since the notion of the GA would be that particular groups band together in a like government, from what I understand.

    But Genghis is correct in what's in a name. To use a less controversial example than asking whether or not the Rebellion was a proper republic, let's use the US Federalist party--a political group that very much disliked the notion of federalism. :)
     
  4. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Force Ghost star 5

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    nice topic, I am in the discussion! I wrote the governments sections over at www.njoe.com if you are interested in them ;-) but I am still working on the GFFA one. So any help is appreciated.
     
  5. Rouge77

    Rouge77 Jedi Knight star 5

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    So, I suppose you're of the belief that because Charlemagne happend to name his institution the "Holy Roman Empire," that it therefore was "holy," "Roman," and an "Empire?"

    Charlemagne became just the Emperor of Romans in 800. Otto I became the first Holy Roman Emperor in 962. A name alone doesn´t describe an object, but it tells us how the people who name it want us to see it.

    In Star Wars, names have had very little connection to what the government actually was. Naming the New Republic "the New Republic" was pretty much nothing more than a symbolic political move, having little to do with the structure of that particular government.

    It may haven´t got much connection what kind the government actually was, but certainly the name `New Republic´ told what the Rebels wanted the new government to be like and how they wanted the people to view it. The name alone gave them a goal, so to speak.
     
  6. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Force Ghost star 5

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    I wonder, what exactly are the differences between the GFFA and the New Republic Government? It wasn´t just a name-change.

    But it still has the following institutions:

    - Chief of State
    - Advisory Council
    - Senate

    - and separate but advisory the Jedi Council

    so it has still republican structures and democratic structures. But what did change? More rights than before for some institutions?

    Well, we know we have two spheres that are different from each other:

    (1) "The Galactic Federation of Free Alliances"

    and

    (2) "The Galactic Alliance"

    In my opinion, the first is the government. Its new name. The second is a more general term for the GFFA government and allied governments that keep friendly contact with it and helped to cleanse the galaxy of Vong, like the Imperial Remnant, the Chiss and others maybe. Though both terms could mean the same, I always saw it this way. A loose Alliance of governments, and a government with voluntary membership.

    To know the New Republic government or others, check my sections over at www.njoe.com

    Now, it looks like it is the same, just with a new name. But can that be? I doubt it. At first they kept it vague in the NJO to let it look like the ultimate perfect government, but now it evolved into a republic clone, it seems. So what to do with it?

    As I see it, military stays the same as with the NR. Like most other branches, too. But I don´t want to accept that a rigged election and a in the beginning Jedi-friendly COS is the only difference. Through the process of election we saw, that senators elect the COS just like it was in the republic. The Senate elects the COS, not the people of the galaxy, they only can elect their planetary governments or senators, nothing else, it seems.
     
  7. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Retired Fleet Admiral star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The Galactic Federation of Free Alliances is the full name of the new government, with it being called Galactic Alliance for short. So far, based on what we have seen in the first book of the Dark Nest trilogy, the Galactic Alliance is composed of former NR worlds and the Hapans. It is obvious that the Chiss are not part of the new galactic government, but that they are just allies.

    I was hoping to here what happened to the Imperial Remnant, but the book leaves out nay mention of them. I suspect that they are still independent allies of the Alliance, but I guess we will have to wait and see.

    As for the structure of the Alliance government, so far we know that there is the following:

    Executive Branch

    Chief of State- Cal Omas

    Advisory Council- The top advisors to the CoS, including the Minister of State, Judicial Rep, Senatorial Rep, Intelligence, and Supreme Commander.

    Legislative Branch

    Galactic Alliance Senate- representatives of all Alliance memberworlds and governments.

    Judicial Branch

    Alliance Courts- As of the NJO, represented by Ta'laam Ranth in the Advisory Council

    That is the little that I have on the government at the moment. There are several Alliance senators mentioned in the latter half of the NJO, but I will leave them off for a time. Eventually I would like to flesh out this list as much as possible though.

    --Adm. Nick
     
  8. Genghis12

    Genghis12 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Jello...
    "The preceeding government, actually, didn't have a conception of a legislative branch. It was an elective parliamentary democracy, much as the Old Republic was."

    The preceding government was little more than a patronage farm centered around Solo/Skywalker clan nepotism. The New Republic coffers financed all manner of ill-conceived financial whims of Lando Calrissian, as well as the constant pressures of the Skywalker-Solo demands. All of the leaders of the New Republic should be brought up on charges and frog-marched out of the galaxy for being traitors to the people.

    At the very least, the Galactic Federation of Free Alliances has inserted some new unaligned people who, more importantly are unrelated (as far as we know) to any Skywalker-Solo blood into the leadership mix. This, more than any other institutional structure of the government will make it a postive instead of the inept thing that was the New Republic.
     
  9. Excellence

    Excellence Jedi Knight star 7

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    The Black Fleet Trilogy is brillaint if you want political perspective of the New Reppers. Leia was in her Third Electoral, you got all the six or seven councils, senate chair Ben-Kilh-Nahm, one of my favourite characters, top job all round and round.

    Where she stops, nobody knows. I'd rather the Galactic Allaince have been the combined military forces of New Rep, Chiss, Hutt, Hapan, Earth, Imperial, but this is what things are now and it's no big deal. They just have to say the full Galactic Alliance now, to avoid prior Alliance confusion. More redundent full names in SW, we're used to it by now.

    Don't focus too much on names, Admiral. Galactic Hegemony or Metroid's Federal alliance, they're just names.

    I'm going to contradict myself there---chief of state is a form of title, but SW wants to call it a title. The top exec of the galaxy should have a grander name. To my horror, Conquest just called Fey'yla the chief. It was about as bland and blithe and superficial as Jerricho's millennium age. While I was hoping for more formality in Joiner King, I was thrilled to see Omas sharpened to an Impstar's prow.

    Can't have a good title, at least we got a good man.
     
  10. AdmiralWesJanson

    AdmiralWesJanson Force Ghost star 5

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    I'll write up what I can from the Thrawn Trilogy Sourcebook and CTD theis weekend.
     
  11. Crazydan

    Crazydan Jedi Youngling star 3

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    When did the Hapans joined the GA?
     
  12. Dinner_Squadron

    Dinner_Squadron Jedi Youngling star 2

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    We're not sure, but we're told that they did, during a scene in which Cal Omas was mad at Tenel Ka for sending the fleet to aid the Centerpoint Builders, I believe.....
     
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