Galactic Civil War or Clone War II?

One of the ongoing questions in these forums is whether the stormtroopers in the OT are clones.

If that were so, wouldnt the Galactic Civil War just be a rehash of the Clone War, since the Clone War was essentially a civil war as well?

 

IT IS MY THEORY THAT THE CLONE WAR IS SO CALLED BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY IT IS A FAKE WAR

IT IS ORCHESTRATED MERELY TO GET SIDIOUS INTO POWER


I DONT KNOW WHY IM TYPING IN CAPITALS

 

Yeah. And actually I'd say that the Clone War was more of a Civil War. There were whole systems seceding from the Republic and everything. With the Civil War it was just a group of freedom fighters rebelling. No systems really pledged their support or intention to secede or anything, did they? Even Alderaan was officially still part of the Empire until it was destroyed.

 

Also, droids are even moreso Clones than the AotC troopers themselves.

Rebels aren't Clones in the least sense of the word.

- O_F

 

Well, there are a couple of things in play here. First, the Clone Wars was fought between clones and droids. Most "normal" people had nothing to do with it. Maybe the perception of the run of the mill citizen was that the wars were something far away, something like the Iraq war today. It is a devastating war, but far away from home. Only the invasion of Coruscant seen in the Clone Wars cartoon can be seen as a threat for normal people.

For most people, its easy to watch clones die since they are not "human."

The Galactic Civil war was a war between the goverment and a faction trying to topple it. Since it wasn't a declared war between organized factions, like the Confederacy and the Republic, it was one of those wars that even wretched families together. Also, real people fought this war, even if stormies are clones. Imp officers were not clones, and the Rebs were normal folk. You'd probable have cases where a family would have an Imp officer child and a one that would join the Alliance. It was a much more personal war in many ways. The end result was more dramatic than the Clone Wars for civilians, the whole power structure that controles the Galaxy fell down.

 

Clones are nice.







I think many of the stormtroopers are actually RECRUITS. Hard to believe, I know, but why not? The more force you have, the better, right? At least for Palpatine...

 

>>One of the ongoing questions in these forums is whether the stormtroopers in the OT are clones.<<

I always believed so (still do), even when secondary sources tell me otherwise. There were too many hints at total uniformity to guess otherwise (for me anyway).

As for rehash, the entire saga is about repetition.

 

its is like a second clone war, Lucas designed the first clone war to resemble world war I in that you don't really know who is good or bad, but then the rebellion or the second clone war is more like wwII where we knew we were fighting pure evil (how could you not think the nazis were evil?)

 

Stormtroopers are mostly clones. Lucas said so himself, and we went over that issue pretty extensively in "Stormtroopers are not clones", a thread in this very forum.

As for whether or not the GCW is a continuation of the Clone War, I'd say yeah. The Clone War led to the Empire, and the GCW was about defeating the Empire.

As for not really knowing who the bad guys are in the Clone War, I'd say the average loyalist civilian would certainly consider the Seppies to be bad guys, along with all of the systems the commerce group ran roughshod over.

 

I don't think that the GCW is any sort of second act, or continuation of the Clone Wars. First of all, the galaxy is a much darker time during the GCW than the clone wars, and secondly, the boys in the white suits (whatever you want to call them) are seen as the aggressor this time, and not as the defenders. They are serving under a differnt government anyway, the Empire compared to the Republic. While the casual citizen of the galaxy probably wouldn't be able to discriminate between the two, they would probably be living in more fear during the empire than the republic, with military garrisons on all these planets and a death star roaming about. Plus, the Empire didn't have the Jedi Council. I don't care what anyone says, it's better to have a Jedi Council than not.

 

Part of trying to figure if the galactic civil war is part of or a continuation of the Clone War is when does the Rebellion "officially" start.

Episode III is supposed to show us not so much the beginning of the Rebellion, but the start of the idea or the preperation to rebel. The problem is it has been reported many of these scenes (between Organa, Mothma, Padme, and possibly even a scene of declaration to Palpatine) may have been cut or uncompleted so this may lay unanswered until we see deleted scenes ( I think these are in the novel, but I haven't read it yet).

In ANH the scroll mentions that Rebel Spaceships have scored their first VICTORY against the Empire, so it's either been a very bad 20 years for the rebellion, or the rebellion has only recently started, or started in anything resembling a true threat. The officers on the Death Star talk about the rebellion as if it is neither old nor new. Luke says to the droids, "you know of the rebellion against the Empire" as if it's a fairly new thing. So my guess is the Galactic Civil War/Rebellion was only going in earnest about 5 years or so before the ANH. Thus, they are TWO SEPERATE WARS.

 

humans fought in civil war AND ww2!!!

 

>>In ANH the scroll mentions that Rebel Spaceships have scored their first VICTORY against the Empire, so it's either been a very bad 20 years for the rebellion, or the rebellion has only recently started, or started in anything resembling a true threat<<

The novelization makes it fairly clear the rebellion has been going on for awhile and is almost eliminated by the time of the Death Star's commissioning.

"...which they estimate has been deserted for some time. Years, possibly."

"This will be a day long remembered... soon it will see the end of the Alliance and the rebellion."

"Evacuate!... At our moment of triumph? We are about to destroy the last remnants of the Alliance..."

Then there are a couple of references about all of the Senators and Generals who lent support to the rebellion physically being at Yavin for the "decisive moment", along with the ceremony assembly scene which states it is the first time the Alliance has been assembled (inference is in a single room) and has all of thier flags displayed.

The rebellion was only just starting to generate sympathy in the Senate, but had been known to have been going on for years to the military.

I guess it's notable that there seems to be a difference between Alliance (upper case "A") and rebellion (lower case "r") since if they were the same there would be no "and" in the provided quote.

 

Has anyone of you read the book "1984" by George Orwell ?

Keeping the people in a permanent state of war ... control by fear ...


Personally I think that the Civil War breaks out later - or the Clone Wars shift into that.

Once I had asked my self : Is Luke Skywalker a Separatist ? ...

 

I've never read the novelization, but good points.

 

The more I read of the politics of the Old Republic, not to mention the New, the more I feel inclined to throw down on the side of ol' Palpy.