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GL2...Progressive??

Discussion in 'Fan Films & Fan Audio' started by Alcobra, Feb 7, 2003.

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  1. Alcobra

    Alcobra Jedi Youngling

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    Ok, so I just got my GL2 and while reading through the manual, I came upon something that when I had heard it before, didn't really think anything of it. As it states in the manual;
    Selecting the Movie Mode (Normal/Frame)
    The frame mode can be used when you wish to look at a video, scene by scene, free from the slippage (the "flicker" that normally occurs when you pause a video). The vertical resolution of the image is improved by 1.5x. During playback, pause the video at any time if you would like to veiw a crystal clear still image in the display or on a connected TV scree. It is also possible to transfer you favorite still pictures to a PC for image enhancement and print out. Sinc the frame rate is close to that of a movie, this mode can be used to create "cinimatic-like appearance."
    So what does it all mean. Is it basically progressive, or am I missing something. I don't know a whole lot about it, but I know I hate the flicker I get with interlaced footage. Thanks guys.

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  2. darth_paul

    darth_paul Jedi Master star 5

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    As best I understand it, it's progressive. Anything I'm shooting for computer retouching, I shoot in Frame mode, and I don't get the flicker and I don't have to deinterlace. My one caution about the mode is that it tends to be much less fluid and noticeably choppier - like a History Channel documentary, as one of my cast members commented when I was showing him the difference.

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  3. darthdastoli

    darthdastoli Jedi Master star 3

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    Its progressive alright. Boy, you should have seen me jumping up and down when I first realized it on the GL-1. Finally, after all those terrible terrible years of interlacing. . .
     
  4. MasterZap

    MasterZap Jedi Padawan star 4

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    It's "progressive" in a sense but due to a peculiarity in the design of the CCD chips in the GL serious it's not full resolution progressive, i.e. it should be 2x vertical resolutoin but is only 1.5x vertical resolution.... it's a long story really :)

    One of the few Canon cameras with *REAL* progressive scan is the Optura Pi, which is a single CCD camera tho.

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  5. PixelMagic

    PixelMagic Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Yeah, you don't get full resolution. It's a complicated story, but it's not TRUE progressive. The only Mini DV camcoder that shoots True Progressive besides Zap's is the Panasonic AG-DVX100. Zap, would I keep more resolution shootting in frame mode on the GL2, or by doing my post deinterlace trick that I mentioned in my film look tutorial?
     
  6. Alcobra

    Alcobra Jedi Youngling

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    Hey that's great news to hear
    I don't mind losing a little resolution to be rid of the interlacing. I think my clients will be happy about it too. I appreciate the input guys.

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  7. MasterZap

    MasterZap Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Whats so funny is that Canon has taken the progressive feature AWAY from the camcorders that come AFTER mine... i.e. none of the new models have it as a feature, as far as I know. !?!

    Wierd.

    I'm happy with mine.

    Pixel, to your question.... hmmm. You would get higher resolution by deinterlacing in the case of still (i.e. when using motion detect deinterlace and there is no motion) and when there IS motion (so the motion detect has to de-interlace) it would be slightly less resoltion.

    The question I ask myself is, what impact that might have on a bluescreen shot. Possibly the motion detected deinterlace would be slightly superior in vertical resolution in some spots, since the "frame mode" in the GL camera only has 50% chroma resolution anyway, due to the pixel shift junk that you know about but I'm too tired to explain here :)

    /Z
     
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