Rocky M, NC Good info to know on Kerry. Read this....

Here you folks go, you should read this about wannabe pres. John Kerry. I feel this man who wrote this letter hits the nail on the head, and I also feel its vital Kerry does NOT become our next president. Anyway, for your perusing pleasure...


Received from others...

Dear Senator Kerry:

Since it has become clear that you will probably be the Democratic nominee for President, I have spent a great deal of time researching your war record and your record as a professional politician. The reason is simple, you aspire to be the Commander in Chief who would lead my sons and their fellow soldiers in time of war. I simply wanted to know if
you possess the necessary qualifications to be trusted in that regard.

You see, I belong to a family of proud U.S. veterans. I was a Captain in the Army Reserve, my father was a decorated Lieutenant in World War II; and I have four sons who have either served, or are currently serving in the military. The oldest is an Army Lieutenant still on active duty in Afghanistan, after already being honored for his service in Iraq. The
youngest is an E-4 with the military police. His National Guard unit just finished their second tour of active duty, including six months in Guantanamo Bay. My two other sons have served in the national guard and the navy.

In looking at your record I found myself comparing it not only to that of my father and my sons, but to the people they served with. My father served with the 87th Chemical Mortar Battalion in Europe. They landed on Utah Beach and fought for 317 straight days, including the Cherbourg Peninsula, Aachen, the Hurtgen Forest, and the Battle of the Bulge. You earned a Silver Star in Vietnam for chasing down and finishing off a wounded and retreating enemy soldier. My father won a Bronze Star for single handedly charging and knocking out a German machine gun nest that had his men pinned down. You received three purple hearts for what appears to be three minor scratches. In fact, you only missed a combined total of two days of duty for these wounds. The men of my father's unit, the 87th, had to be admonished by their commanding officer because it had been brought to his attention that some men were covering up wounds and refusing medical attention for fear of being evacuated and permanently separated from their organization... It was also a common occurrence for seriously wounded soldiers to go AWOL from hospitals in order to rejoin their units. You, however, used your three purple hearts to leave Vietnam early.

My oldest boy came home from Iraq with numerous commendations and then proceeded to volunteer to go to Afghanistan, and from there back to Iraq again. My sons and father have never had anything but the highest
regard and respect for their fellow soldiers. Yet, you came home to publicly charge your fellow fighting men with being war criminals and to urge their defeat by the enemy. You even wrote a book that had a cover which mocked
the heroism of the U.S. Marines who raised the flag on Iwo Jima. Our current crop of soldiers has a philosophy that no one gets left behind; and they have practiced that from Somalia to the battlefields of the Middle East. Yet, as
chairman of a Senate committee looking into allegations that many of your fellow servicemen had been left behind as prisoners in Vietnam, you chose to defend the brutal Vietnamese regime. You even went so far as to refer to the families of the POWs and MIAs as Professional malcontents, conspiracy mongers, con artists, and dime-store Rambos.

As a Senator you voted against the 1991 Gulf War, and have repeatedly voted against funds to supply our troops with the best equipment, and against money to improve our intelligence capability. I find this particularly ironic since as a Presidential candidate you are highly critical of our pre-war intelligence in Iraq. However, you did vote to authorize the President to go to war, but have since proceeded to do everything you can to undermine the efforts of our government and our troops to win. Is this what our fighting men a

 

I didn't read it sorry
but most of you know how I feel
about Vampires....I mean Politics.

 

What's the point? Kerry should not become President because of some ex-solider from TEXAS can write Sen. Kerry and talk smack to him. Any person, even politians can change their mind about an issue. It makes me wonder if this guy even knows why and understands Kerry's choices. I don't think so. And for anyone to spread unproven name calling, to me, is giving in and allowing to be controled by those who want you to believe this. Remember this, there are always other factors that cause things to happen, not just the actions of a scapegoat.

Sorry, but it's my two cents.

FT

 

Very entertaining... much better than Anchorman...

Lod-Reh SaJon ~
"If you seek knowledge and understanding look to the Force.
If you seek pain and suffering look no further than me."

 

Well, FT... I dont think he's lying, and I certainly would tend to believe what he is saying over Kerry ANY DAY. And by saying what happened in the past, is ok, is like saying what Jane Fonda did during the Vietnam war was right. And it wasnt. Some things are flat out unforgivable.

 

i would not have voted for this guy to begin with if he were the only guy willing to take the job

he is one of the most liberal and vain people i have heard talk and it would be an injustice for America to be ran by some one like him

 

I pretty much agree, FU2.

 

Can we please keep political propaganda of this nature off the board, or at least in the rant thread? By nature I'm disinclined to believe an email from someone I've never heard of until now that is spreading unsubstantiated information. Besides, I don't see how you can attack one candidate's military record when the other candidate can't even produce any proof that he served his full term.

As for Kerry's service, have you ever asked anyone who served in Vietnam about the type of duty he did? They didn't call those river patrol ships "floating coffins" for no reason. Have you ever asked a Vietnam veteran how he felt about the war? Most of the ones that I've known felt that it was a bull**** war waged for bull**** reasons. While still proud of their service most would have preferred never to have had to go. The only people who wanted to stay were the crusaders, nutcases, and those who never saw combat.

Finally, to address the voting record accusations, most of the time these accusations are worth slightly less than a dried turd. As I've said in the past, voting records are used as a form of political blackmail. The funds he supposedly voted against where probably a small part of a trillion dollar budget. This type of crap happens all the time on both sides.

 

I attack Kerry because he's a liberal, and I dont feel he should lead our country. I do it because I have hopes that perhaps maybe at least one person might pause for a second when I post something like this, and possibly decide NOT to vote for him. I absolutely do NOT want this man in office, and I thought the email could possibly make a good point. Besides, after being raked over the coals by a few members of my own family, who apparently are also liberals, it made me feel a little bit better. Bush certainly isnt the greatest, but I would far prefer him in office, than John Kerry, any day of the week. Other folks put things up here, sometimes, that arent exactly things we like to see put up here, but usually if any of us have a problem with it, we usually either say we disagree or something along that nature. I never said the Vietnam war was right, my strongest points being his reactions towards people who had a family member that was a POW, or was MIA. It was flat out wrong, and with the vote for these two just around the bend, I felt it was relevant news.

 

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Lod-Reh SaJon ~
"If you seek knowledge and understanding look to the Force.
If you seek pain and suffering look no further than me."

 

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I don't recall ever asking you to change it or back down from it. The most I've ever asked is that you consider the other side of the argument as well. I don't take issue with your views, but the way it is presented.

When I read something like this, it does make me pause. Not to consider who I'm going to vote for, but to consider who wrote it, why they wrote it, and how it furthers their agenda. Propaganda, whether it supports our views or not, is detrimental to us as individuals, a society, and a nation. Yes, even more detrimental than having an incompetent president in the White House. The only true freedom we have is to form our own opinions, and people who create this type of stuff are trying to undermine that freedom. They are no better than Michael Moore.

Partisan bashing rarely changes anyone's mind or leads to constructive dialog. Mostly it polarizes people and causes hard feelings. If you want to sway my opinion on a matter, give me cold, hard, verifiable facts and allow me to draw my own conclusions, not half-truths and accusations.

 

Liberal: 1.a. Not limited to or by traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes or dogmas; free from bigotry.

b. Favoring propsals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.

c. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.

d. Liberal, Of being, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, esp in Great Britain and Canada.

2.a Tending to give freely; generous. b. Generous in amount; ample. 3. not strict or literal; loose or approxcimate; a liberal translation. 4. Of relating to, or based on the traditonal arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum.

"If you want more you can finish reading the dicitionary."

I see nothing wrong with Liberals are being liberal. My God, if something is broke then fix it. That is the mentality of a Liberal. Is it that bad to think differently than others?

Let us picture if you would, your kid is dieing, and you have been going to the "SAME" Dr. for 6 months and they say that he will not live to see a year and have given up on your child. Would you not go somewhere else to save your son? Does the thought of another opinion make you want to seek help from another? Yes you would change and seek help from someone else.

A conservative will not budge on things and will be the same way until he dies.

I am the middle ground. I am a conservative when something works and I am a Liberal when something is no longer working. Balance is a good thing.....

 

Honestly, I would try to take the time to get some cold, hard truths, so that I could try to give some credence to how I feel about him, and whats the problem with him, but I honestly dont want to take that much time to do it. Not out of laziness, but because it would either take time away from work or my family, which I dont want to do, or if I DID do it, I would probably get a huge headache from having to read up that much on this man. So I guess I cannot provide in that department. But to me, while this was an email that was sent to me from someone else here at work, and I honestly cannot validate it, IF true, I have less trouble believing what a man who obviously has given of himself and of his family to the better good of this country, than anything from Kerry. Thus, why I put it up here. I didnt put it on the rant thread, because I just didnt think to, so I plopped up a new thread. I cant explain it, but there is something in my gut that just tells me Kerry getting in office would be a very bad thing, and I back it up. /shrug

 

That's just my point Riff, you don't know who wrote it, so without putting some effort into it, you don't know if he can be trusted. It could be the gospel truth. But for all we know, the guy who wrote this could be a Kerry sympathizer hoping that by going negative he can cause a backlash that will persuade some undecided voters to vote against Bush.

 

Tonight at 8:00, C-SPAN will air the 1971 testimony John Kerry gave before Congress. Kerry supporters may find this a little tough to watch.

Also, for those interested, you can find the Swift Boat Veterans Website here.

Lod-Reh SaJon ~
"If you seek knowledge and understanding look to the Force.
If you seek pain and suffering look no further than me."

 

Ooooh, I hope I can remember to check that out. That should tell us all whether that letter was pretty much right on, or not.

 

I agree with you jediriff i do not want him in office either for the same reason i don't want bush in, and that is that neither one sticks to what they say are do the way i see it is if we go and attack someone we should not back down, we should just go in and kill the guys and get out not shizz around and do nothing letting our people die and if people have a problem with what i'm saying i'm sorry it is my opinion and if the don't want us over there don't piss us off.

P.S. i would prefer bush though because he dose do what he says more than that kerry guy

 

That's why everyone should vote for me. I'll be happy to entertain any questions you might have for me.

 

how high is up?

 

How many licks DOES it take to get to the Tootsie roll center of a Tootsie Pop?

 

Well, Mr. Da,
You'll find that high is a relativistic term that can be aplied differently depending on the position of the intended questioner.


Mr. Kenobi (big fan of your Uncle Ben),
Licks vary by the general circumference of the tongue that does the licking. Larger ones clearly take fewer times before reaching the chewy center, where as a smaller tongue may take substantially longer.

 

I have just one question for ya... what is 1+1?

Lod-Reh SaJon ~
"If you seek knowledge and understanding look to the Force.
If you seek pain and suffering look no further than me."

 

Another one....

How do I get DAWN!!!!!! to be in my movies for free???

 

That's easy first you get her to sleep with you... then while she is still sedated get her to sign on the dotted line... /evilgrin Maybe I should run for office

Lod-Reh SaJon ~
"If you seek knowledge and understanding look to the Force.
If you seek pain and suffering look no further than me."