Good or Bad Advice : Train yourself to let go of everything you fear to lose

YODA: Careful you must be when sensing the future, Anakin. The fear of loss is a path to the dark side.

ANAKIN: I won't let these visions come true, Master Yoda.

YODA: Death is a natural part of life. Rejoice for those around you who transform into the Force. Mourn them, do not. Miss them, do not. Attachment leads to jealousy. The shadow of greed, that is.

ANAKIN: What must I do, Master Yoda?

YODA: Train yourself to let go of everything you fear to lose.

Some of the things Anakin fears to lose at that point in the story are 1)Padme 2)being a Jedi and 2) Obi-Wan. Do you think he followed Yodas advice selectively ??? I do.

Edit: Knowing everything you do about the end of the story.

 

Well...

Palpatine says, "Let me help you to know the subtleties of the Force," and if you see each and everything Palpatine says as containing a specific version of the truth, then he could well be telling Anakin, even if he doesn't realise it, that there is a difference between lofty ideals and reality. Hence, when Anakin saves Luke in ROTJ, he is going against the literal advice of Yoda's words, but following in the spirit of them.

 

Ultimately i think Yoda is wrong in that advice and if you ask him about it in ESB he'd give different advice.

I think Yoda completely changed his view on this till he would tell Anakin that he has to learn to deal with his feelings and his grief if he can't save the person he cares for.

I think Yoda would tell Anakin that he has to try to save his friend or loved one, but if he fails to do so, because of the potential damage and pain a jedi can cause he has to remain in control of himself.

I think yoda would deal with Anakin on a much more human level, he did with luke, his advice to luke was sound.

I have often thought that the scene where yoda tells luke to not go and sacrafice Han and Leia "if you honor what they fight for, yes." it is a direct mirror of Yoda letting Dooku escape.

If Yoda had not let Dooku escape to save two he cared for he could have saved the Jedi order and prevented the Clone war by stoping Dooku.

Yoda grew and evolved over the series so yes he gave bad advice and he learned from it.

 

Useless advice.
Seesh telling him that ? the future is always in motion? would have been better.

 

Good advice, because we're all going to lose loved ones, unless we die really young. Remember them, honor them, love them - but death is a natural part of life, and grieving indefinitely is unhealthy and counterproductive.

 

I thought it was good advice. It is the advice you'd get from a Jedi Master. Anakin needed to let go of his fear of losing padme. (Always in motion is the future) It isn't a final thing that Padme will die. Who knows she might of lived if Anakin didn't give in to the darkside.

To be a Jedi you must accept that death is a natural part of life. I thought Yoda was telling him everything a Jedi would do.

IMO Luke learned to do what Yoda told Anakin on his own. Palpatine was pretty mucy going to kill him, Luke didn't fear death, he lets go and let the will of the force take its course. ( He didn't try to tap into the darkside to save the one he loved like Anakin did) Then Anakin/Darth Vader kills Palpatine.

 

Bull**** advise. He's telling him not to care whether or not someone dies. No, worse than that, he's telling him to rejoice. All the Jedi's must have some attachments. Look at Obi-Wan's reaction to Qui-Gon's death. Or, hell, just listen to Yoda's last lines to Chewie in RotS.

Now, I don't remember Obi-Wan saying, "I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced... *relieved sigh* Good. They've finally transformed into the Force."

Sounds like he just ripped another hole in the plot. Just come down to bad writing.

Star it out.

 

Bad advice.
We must wallow in misery when someone dies and if we ever heal from that, we're evil and hate them. That is why we must stop them from dying at all costs.
Yet when Anakin thinks he's doing just that, people call him evil...
Where the Hell's the line again?

 

hmmm... i kind of see this as advice specifically for a jedi. they are to be unwavering. so in the same way they are not supposed to love... you get the picture. http://perilinthen64forest.ytmnd.com/

 

Good Advice, especially for a Jedi. While honoring their memory is a great thing, you can't allow it to stop you from living your life. That always seemed to be what he was suggesting given that while Yoda does say "Mourn them do not, miss them do not." he also says that you should rejoice because they're becoming part of the Force.

 

No one tells Anakin to forget about her. Ever. Yoda tells him to stop being afraid to lose her. People die. All the time. You cannot stop it. You can only delay it. Death is a natural part of life. Yoda tells Anakin to think of the positive and not dwell on the negative. Anakin clung to his fear of death and used his anger & hate to become a monsters. He did not let go of these emotions, which is what his own son does. You must not give into despair. I didn't. I faced the death of one I loved, for three years. I watched him get sicker and sicker. Burns from radiation. Weakness from kemo (sp). Watched as the cancer ate away at his chest, leaving a big hole and smelling the rotting flesh. And you know what I did. I lived my life, moment to moment and beat to beat. Just like my stepfather did. I did not give into my feelings of anger and hate. I did not worry myself stupid about losing him, all the time. This is what Anakin did. He put himself in a constant state of worry, rather than just doing something productive with himself. Taking his mind off it. Living his life. People who face loss like this, when they know it is coming, and instead of collapsing in on themselves all the time. They go on living.

As far as Anakin was concerned, she was already dead and buried. But here she was. Alive and well. They could've spent their time together, loving and living. Instead, he had to be a fool and let his fear control him.

Yoda was right to tell him what he did. Obi-wan let go of his attachment and grief. He didn't beat himself up over his failure to save Qui-gon. Yoda did not give into his rage at the loss of Jedi life. Luke accepted that his friends were willing to sacrifice themselves for him, for the cause of freedom. He has to honor them, by accepting these things.

 

Yoda advice was right on, but Anakin was never in the frame of mind to follow it through. If Anakin let Dooku live then his nightmares would never have occured. That was the beginning of the end for Anakin. Yoda's sage-like advice was what you'd expect from an esteemed Jedi master. Perhaps Anakin should have been more honest with Yoda or Obi-wan and told them the truth about him and Padme. So when Sids made promises about saving your loved ones, Anakin could have asked Yoda, Mace or Obi:

"Is that really possible?"
"Who told you that?"
"The Chancellor.."
"Nup, can't happen. That bum, I knew he was the Sith Lord."
"Ok, Anakin here's what we're gonna do."
"I will do anything you ask of me just help me save Padme's life."
"All you gotta do is kill him - with our help, and your lightsaber. Then your dreams will stop."
"Quikstix, guys."

Anakin would not have been expelled from the jedi order; he was safer by the jedi's side and he was too well trained - and too potentially dangerous.

 

People are too morbid. These people were very young. Padme and Anakin. How the hell would she die? Anakin was over-protective and over-parinoid (sp) and I think its mostly because of what happened to his mother. He would not let it happen again. I think it was fair advice but a more human responce would be, not to worry...unless you see someone coming at your wife with a knife...then she is fine. Don't focus on the future. The future is not yet reality. The moment is. Plan for the future but as the Great Qui Gonn Jinn once said: "Not at the expense of the moment." There are other things than death in this world. Do we fear everytime we have to eat? Or everytime we have to go to the bathroom? Or making love? I don't think many of us do. Yet most of us fear death. I think its because we've bene condintioned to. Really. Birds accept the death of other birds. As do other animals. Why can't we? We become too intellegent, too greedy and too perfecitonist for our own good. There is no drama. Death is natural, yes and it will come to us all in many different ways. Sudden or slow. Tragic or warm. But does it matter? Unless you see a man on black robes charging at you with a knife...you are not going to die and neither are your loved ones.

This is better advice, I think.

 

The problem with Yoda's advice is that he is a master at feeling no attachment as all jedi's should.

It's like me going to a buddist monk and telling him I have girlfriend problems. Would he understand? NO!

The advice was good from a jedi's POV but not Anakin's, as he already had those feelings of love for Padme, hence it was too late. If it was three years earlier, who knows.

 

Bisrossk , Yoda was talking about natural death. The death of the Jedi in order 66 and the death of the people of Alderaan were violent, unnatural deaths. By the way, now that I think of it, it may not be a coincidence that Yoda is the only character in Star Wars to die of natural causes.

Anyway, my point of wiew: the advice was good, but Yoda should also have sensed that the advice would not be enough for Anakin. The PT Jedi are all passive to Anakin's suffering when they should have been there for him. That's why he didn't trust them, becuase they never trusted or showed that they cared about him. The expection here of course is Obi-Wan who openely showed that he cared and tried to help Anakin. Unfortunatly Anakin wasn't being completely honest with Obi-Wan.

 

Ultimately i think Yoda is wrong in that advice and if you ask him about it in ESB he'd give different advice.



Good point.

Losing Padme is the obvious one, but I was thinking more along the lines of the other things Anakin was about to lose, ie his attachment to the Jedi Order, Obi-Wans friendship etc. Losing Padme was a biggie, but he also lost a lot of things that he took for granted.

 

The problem with Yoda's advice is that he is a master at feeling no attachment as all jedi's should.

Was he in the PT? I rather doubt it. Many of his actions seemed to be based upon his attachment to the Jedi Order.

 

Why does that only apply to 'natural death'? Either way it's a part of life. Either way you transform into the Force.

 

I think better advice would be to let go of the fear of losing others rather than
letting go of those you fear to lose.

 

Very well said

I think it was the best advice.

I find that some ppl think of the jedi as a bit cold hearted or robotic because of the "no attachment" rule, but i think they are just taught to be selfless ... i think that they give everything for others and while they DO care for each other (and would give their life without hesitating), they acceptmortality and know everyone is bound to die sooner or later. I think this is the point Yoda was trying to get across to Anakin: death is not to be feared, but rather accepted.

This is the root of Anakin's problem imo: he doesnt welcome change, he wants to control things and keep everything the way he wants it. He cant accept mortality or letting go of things (or people), that's why he starts going down the darkside, and ultimately it dominates him because he gets greedy and is never satisfied with what he has (like in ROTS when Padme tells him to go with her to raise their child: even though his goal was saving her, now he wants to overthrow Palpatine... suddenly Padme wasnt enough anymore.

I always found it interesting in ESB how desperate Vader was to find Luke, to get control of him and keep him (all for him, for his selfish reason of turning him in order to gain more power... he was "loving" Luke the same way we see him "love" Padme in ROTS) and yet by the time ROTJ comes along and he's standing there watching Palpatine kill Luke, he decides to let his son go and be free (isnt it ironic that his mother did the same for him, and yet he still didnt "get" it?), and the only way to do that is to destroy the Sith. He has to let go of his anger, his power and himself in order to save his son.

Anyways, i hope this babble makes sense

 

There is nothing natural about being murdered, it should be clear to all that wasn't what Yoda meant.

There was however a flaw to Yoda's approach. He did too little to help Anakin. It seemed that most Jedi (Windu especially) were afraid of him, and instead of helping him they wiewed him from afar with skeptisism. Yoda's advice was good, but it was too little.

Yoda and the other should have showed that they cared about Anakin, like Palpatine was so good at (even though he was faking it). Obi-Wan is the only expection. He tried to be there for Anakin and showed that he struly cared about him.

 

"Yoda and the other should have showed that they cared about Anakin, like Palpatine was so good at (even though he was faking it). Obi-Wan is the only expection. He tried to be there for Anakin and showed that he struly cared about him. "

Anakin was not a kid who needed to be coddled by all the Jedi.
What were they supposed to do, group hug him?
Palps didn't show Anakin he cared, he catered to Anakin's ego by always
praising him for more than he deserved and putting him on a fake pedestal
so he would seem like Anakin's only supporter and friend when the deceptions
were ready to be revealed.

 

Palpatine told Anakin what he wanted to hear, and only played to his ego. And he already thought he was above everyone else. When ppl only tell u how wonderful u r, u must wonder what the heck they want from u, cause everyone has flaws.

The jedi treated him no different than they would any other, and imo this was the correct way. Why should Anakin get special treatment? that would only isolate him even futher from his jedi family imo. He needed to identify with the Order and it's principles in order to truly fit in, and i dont think he ever did. Heck, i'm even a supporter of Anakin not been told until he was older that he was the "Chosen One", but that's a different subject

 

I agree, Palpatine was feeding Anakin's ego to dangerous levels. And I don't exactly think they should have group hugged him, but it seems like they sometimes treated him with more hostility than what was neccessary. I am mostly refering to Mace Windu here. For instance, they could have explained why he wasn't made a master and asked him to be patient. But they didn't, Obi-Wan had to do that.

But it's easy to know the right thing to do after you have all the answers. The Jedi didn´t know what would happen and they aren't perfect, nobody is. So I can dut them some slack.

 

"I have to save you!"
"You already have, Luke. You were right about me"

That's the essence of what Yoda's talking about, let go.

How can you even say it's bad advice, knowing that if Anakin had followed it - Padme wouldn't have died, the Empire wouldn't have been born, Anakin wouldn't have lost his soul, Alderaan wouldn't have been blown up etc etc.