Grand Moff vs Grand Admiral

i know that this topic has been braught up before, but i have just read some stuff about in the Imperial Sourcebook about the Grand Admirals. The question is who is more powerful? Well according to the sourcebook BOTH the admiral and moff have to report directly to the Emperor and his advisors.But it does say that the Moff's have complete control over the military action in that sector, unless they are told otherwise by the emperor. It is shown in ANH that Tarkin had control over the admirals in the meeting on the death star, but who knows. I guess its for you guys to decide...lemme know what u think.

"the valiant only die once in their lives. cowards taste death many times. i do not see why..death a necissary end, is feared by so many men..i am not of this caliber." Caesar

 

Actually,the ISB only talks about regular admirals and Grand Moffs.

Grand Admiral Tigellinus was demoted to the rank of Grand Moff.You figure it out.

 

I would think an Grand Admiral has more power. A Grand Moff is more like a poltitic.

 

Grand Moffs control countless sectors and Grand Admirals reiceve orders form them.

 

Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin was in charge of only the Outer Rim Territories not the Alderaan System he was abusing his power in that case no doubt the grand moff in charge of the Galactic Core and the regular Core World's would be pretty ticked off at another guy taking command in his area of command.

 

I would say it depends on the Grand Admiral and the Moff. Smart Grand Admirals would obey their orders, even if they hated them, while stupid ones would blatantly go against those orders and get executed. And, as Chissdude pointed out, Moffs are politicians (*gag* *cough*), and not military commanders, yet function as a guideline for the Grand Admirals. The Moff lays down basics, the Grand Admiral capitalizes on them and makes his battle plan.

 

Actually because of the fact that the empire is a military dictatorship. Politicians share positions in the military, often times skipping the natural premotions.

One can be premoted to a moff, or just have it handed to them.

Even palpatine wore his military uniform right under his robes(dark empire sourcebook).

One must remember that military dictatorships do not run anything like a democracy, and military is the power, and the government.

 

If Moffs really hold the power, then why is Admiral Gilad Pellaeon the leader of the Imperial Remnant?

 

"If Moffs really hold the power, then why is Admiral Gilad Pellaeon the leader of the Imperial Remnant?"

Cos he's got the support of lots of muscular men with big guns.

Grand Admirals always seemed (to me) to be special "troubleshooter" operatives operating above and beyond the normal rank structure. If the Emperor had a military or para-military problem that he needed to deal with, he would assign a Grand Admiral to a task force to deal with it (e.g. Thrawn and the Unknown Regions). Unlike normal Admirals who are in long term command of a certain region or fleet (e.g. Piett and Vaders personal taskforce), Grand Admirals receive their forces on a situational basis.

Moffs act as the supreme representatives of the Emperor in a given sector or region somewhat like the old British Viceroys and Governor-Generals of the various provinces of the Empire. Grand Moffs are moffs given control over various sectors and/or projects sometimes on a situational basis (e.g. Grand Moff Tarkin and the Maw Installation.).

 

Probably because pelleon controled the navy, and declared himself the leader. Because with the power of controlling the navy, he can controle the army.

 

A grand moff is a commissioned officer of the Imperial Armed Services whom HIM The Emperor has empowered as his chief executor in the affairs of certain territories. These territories are temporary collections of sectors, which are grouped together on an ad hoc basis. The moffs of those sectors are placed under the administrative authority of the grand moff.

It is important to note that because of the ever-changing nature of Imperial intrigues, some grand moffs would have had significantly greater prerogatives than others. HE The Rt Hon. Tharil Grand Moff Tavira, for example, administrated an oversector consisting of Eiattu; HE The Rt Hon. Wilhuff Grand Moff Tarkin and his successor HE The Rt Hon. Ardus Grand Moff Kaine administrated Oversector Outer, which included vasts expanses of the Outer Rim Territories.

Under certain circumstances, grand moffs may be granted such tremendously inclusive powers as to become empereurs en petit. This was the case with the late Grand Moff Tarkin aboard the Death Star; he was empowered by The Emperor to do whatever he pleased with the Death Star, which is how the Grand Moff was able to brush aside Lord Vader?s private objections and summarily obliterate Alderaan.

Most grand moffs would probably be primarily staff officers who specialise in colonial administration. Their gubernatorial prerogatives are such that they can conduct affairs within their respective territories in any fashion they see fit, provided that they continue to receive approval from The Emperor.

Grand moffs are appointed by Imperial Decree; they are commissioners of the Crown, and may only be relieved of their office by The Emperor or a nominated executor thereof.

A grand admiral is a commissioned officer of the Imperial Navy who has been granted infinite seniority by The Emperor. In essence, a grand admiral always has the required seniority to accomplish whatever task he or she has been assigned by The Emperor. It is reputed that there were only ever twelve grand admirals at any one time.

Some grand admirals were assigned relatively minor functions (Grand Admiral Teshik), some were assigned functions within the normal command infrastructure (Grand Admiral Zaarin), and some were assigned above top secret functions (Grand Admiral Thrawn).

Grand admirals are appointed by Imperial Decree; they are commissioners of the Crown, and may only be relieved of their office by The Emperor or a nominated executor thereof.

Concerning the relative positions of grand admirals and grand moffs, a grand admiral is a superior officer to a grand moff (Grand Adm. Rufaan Tigellinus was demoted to grand moff), but does not have the right to interfere in his or her functions as governor of an oversector unless so designated by The Emperor.

In essence, if a grand admiral and a grand moff are both present, the grand admiral is technically the senior officer, but depending on the nature of the circumstances, may be obliged to defer to the judgment of the grand moff, or vice versa. While seniority is a simple matter, official authority can only be determined on a case by case basis.

Concerning the Imperial Remnant, Fleet Admiral Pellæon is not formally superior to the moffs; he is the Supreme Commander, and controls only certain military & naval affairs. While he appears to be gradually usurping the moffs? functions as commanders-in-chief of their respective sector groups, he is not actually a superior officer.

Actually, given that HE The Rt Hon. Ephin Moff Sarreti indicated that he was a reservist, not an active service officer, it seems that the Remnant has undergone some major executive reorganisation, actually stripping the moffs of many of their inherent prerogatives. The Supreme Commander (who does not hold the same office as did Lord Vader and Lord Skywalker) is apparently gradually leaning toward establishing a personal dictatorship.

 

Tarkin was empowered by the Emperor Palpatine to do whatever he wanted with the Death Star?yes to help get rid of the Rebel Alliance and common criminals but not just going around blowing up any planet he wanted to, i doubt that palpatine would be happy if tarkin had destroyed Coruscant just to get rid of the rebel senators, or if tarkin had destroyed Byss because he was told there were rebels there i doubt palpy would be too understanding......

 

ToP: Long time no see, comrade. Not since the Moffel business I believe?

 

I'd say that Grand Moffs are given discressionary powers in their sectors, and Grand Admirals have wider-ranging assignments. I agree with the politicians comments.
I'd say that they are equal, but different.

 

The Radio Dramatisation of A New Hope includes the following exchange between the Grand Moff Tarkin and Lord Vader:

TARKIN: You see, Vader? Our third parties, whom we?ll threaten, are the entire population of her home planet.

VADER: Alderaan is one of the foremost of the inner systems. The Emperor should be consulted.

TARKIN: Do not think to challenge me! You?re not confronting Tagge or Motti now! The Emperor has placed me in charge of this affair with a free hand, and the decision is mine!

The late Grand Moff was clearly empowered to conduct his affairs as he saw fit, demonstrated by the fact that Lord Vader, who was present to ?speak for The Emperor? as a ?special envoy,? was subordinate to the Grand Moff, and served a strictly advisory capacity.

Adalric_Brandl, it is indeed good to see you again. But please?don?t call us ?comrade.? Do we have glowing red eyes and blue skin? Do we look like a Communist?

 

ROTFLOL.

 

So...you admit it!!
RED eyes eh?

The eyes are the window to the soul old chap.
Buncha no-good Reds.

On a more serious note I used "comrade" not as an allusion to communists or their modes of address but merely as a term of respect and affection.

 

Nah...maybe the other end of the spectrum- the ones in the jack boots and brown shirts

 

I always thought Grand Moffs were politicians. They acted as governors, rather than lead the military forces.

That's what the Grand Admirals do-lead the fleets.

I know that the Empire was a martial dictatorship and that there were lots of gray areas but in most cases it's pretty easy to distinguish. (ie would you rather be discussing how to attack an enemy fleet or discussing on the value of increased taxation of the Outer Rim territories?)

 

I've said this somewhere else before. Saying that a Grand Admiral is superior to a Grand Moff is like saying the Attorney General or Defence Minister are more superior then the President. Then again, in the case with the Empire, Emperor Palpatine was the "president". So with that mind, then Grand Admirals could be more superior then a Grand Moff. You could say that the Grand Moffs or Moffs were like the "governors" of the Empire.

 

This thread has some good points on it about who controls the IR, even though that's not what it's primarily about. Good stuff posted by The Tears of Palpatine.