Grievous knew about Order 66

During Obi-Wan's duel with the General, there's an intense pause in the action when the clones arrive. Grievous looks at Obi-Wan and says "Arrrmy or not, you must realize, you are doomed..."
There is great emphasis placed on this line and there is a classic close up on the General's eyes.
Based on this, do you think that Grievous already knew about Order 66? Is it possible that he knew about the Order and was taunting Obi-Wan, you know, a little of a snicker over knowing that the Jedi will die. He's telling Obi-Wan, but the Jedi doesn't realize it. Or rather, was this just some accidental forshadowing, especially since Obi-Wan responds by boasting "Oh, I don't think so"...and then he later survives the attack on the Jedi?

Think about the scene on Geonosis between Dooku and Obi-Wan. In that scene, he is trying to convert Obi-Wan, but he's also telling Obi-Wan the truth about the senate, but he knows he won't be believed. This seems like a parallel, in which Grievous taunts Obi-Wan, a sort of irony.

 

I noticed this as well. I think there is a real good chance that Grievous DID know that Sideous had a Master plan for the Jedi. It would seem a bold statement and a cooincidence. since Grievous just had two hands cut off, and his droids were getting creamed by the Clones. i think he did know. last laugh type thing.

 

I don't think any of that was intentional. Lucas was just making a cool scene, and those events happened to line up. Why would he know about it? Doesn't he think he's REALLY fighting the clones? He's not in on the ruse about the kidnapping, is he? Doesn't he just kidnap the chancellor because Dooku tells him to, plus he doesn't know that Sidious is Palpatine. This doesn't add up.

 

You might try the General Grievous thread or perhaps the Jedi Purge Discussion. Those seem like better areas for this.

 

I don't know, I think this seems specific enough to stay (though I don't agree with it at all)

Besides, you say it belongs in one of two fairly mutually exclusive threads. Doesn't that mean it deserves it's own thread? (Not trying to make trouble, just sayin'...)

 

i think it is Valid . I think it was obvious that he knew. he was losing the fight, and he ran from ObiWan. he knew plenty!.

 

thanks for the support. . but really ,it seems like it has more signifigance than a throwaway scenario as Yoshi points out. Sideous also told him the end of the war was near . and that he will soon have a new apprenrice. so Sideous did tell Grievous things. why not this?.

 

i dun think he new, much like the jedi and some others he was out of the loop. sidous or Douku would not tell some freak they hired to fight a war, about the greatest secret attack in Galactic history. The sith only trust the sith, and sidous and Douku new the plan no one else.

 

yoshifett posted on 9/5/05 10:00pm

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I don't know, I think this seems specific enough to stay (though I don't agree with it at all) [face_tongue] [hr][/blockquote] I was just suggesting other areas to possibly talk about it in or read up on - I'm not locking it or anything. :p I've seen little bits of discussion regarding the purge in GG's thread that's why I mentioned it. ;)

 

It's cool, you know, it's just when you see a mod ...

 

I think it was just Grievous' ego coming through, him thinking that he could still wipe the floor with Obi-Wan, despite the clone presence.

 

I'm gonna agree with this. It's more "MOOHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!" than "I know secrets about my master's plot even though I'm not even allowed to know his real identity."

 

I'm sure Grievous knew that the ultimate goal of the Sith was to destroy the Jedi - that is the favorite hobby of the Sith, after all. And I'm sure, since he was working for Sidious and knew that Sidious was somehow manipulating the Senate (Sidious himself told the Federation in TPM) he probably knew the destruction of the Jedi was imminent. But I doubt he had specifics. If he'd known the clones were going to be ordered to turn on the Jedi it would have certainly pointed his suspicions in the Chancellor's direction, and there's no reason to believe he at any time thought Palpatine was Sidious, since he tried to kill Palpatine along with Anakin and Obi-wan when he shattered that window on his ship.

 

I think it's just in reference to the fact that Grievous will still kill him, since he's killed several Jedi over the last three years. Nothing more than that.

 

I wonder if Grevious was created with Order 66 in his system?

I mean if he lived when the order was given would his mind been taken over by the order and been under Palpatines full control and not have anymore freewill or would the clones attack him or would the clones suddleny follow him and do as he commanded?

 

Grievous was always going to die. If Obi-wan hadn't killed him, Lord Vader or he himself would deal with the General.

 

I don't think so?

I am sure Palpatine had a plan or orders inside him to control him and use him for later on after he took full command?

He could have keep using Grevous as a tool to help futher control his Empire by the fear of his very existance even without the Driod army he was know to all as a very dangerus killer.

 

Nope, Grievous was to die. He was connected to the opposition. That is why the Droid Army was deactivated and destroyed. As well as Vader being sent to kill the Separatist Council, so that he could lay claim to their organizations and reunite the Confederate systems into the Empire.

Thus anyone who could oppose him was wiped out. Including Grievous, would was a witness to what Darth Sidious looked like and could unravel his plans. Besides, he had his Apprentice and his military. He had no more use for a Droid General whose time has come and gone.

 

in the book it makes it seem sid wanted to get rid of obi and griev and he didnt care which one was first, . sid prob didnt tell him

 

Greivous has a military mind. People in the military are trained to psyche people and intimidate them, but that only works if they are doing this to someone who is afraid of them.

Obi-Wan was able to do what a lot of Jedi couldn't. And once Greivous realized this he resorted to trash talking. Don't me wrong. He almost killed Kenobi but luckily for Obi-Wan he got to Grevious first. It wouldn't make any sense for any of the Separatist to know that Sidious had control of the clones. That seems like something the Dark Lord would keep only to himself.

 

The big problem I see here is how he would know about the order? Why would Dooku or Sidious tell him? In the Hologram scene, he worries about the war effort. If he knew the Jedi were just going to get shot down and all the clones were going to become obedient to Sidious, there's no point in even fighting. Grievous doesn't know anything about the master plan. He's just the leader of the droid army, which is fighting against the clones. He doesn't know that it's a ruse for Palpatine to gain more power, he truly thinks he's fighting the Republic and is unaware that both sides are controlled by the same guy.

 

I seriously doubt Grievous knew about Palpatine's plan and Order 66. I think Grievous was over confident in his own abilities and figured he was going to kill Obi-wan in one on one combat.

 

Excellent analysis. I mentioned it once before very briefly. That's how come Grievous got away with killing so many Jedi. He scared the Poodoo out of them. Only Mace and Obi-wan showed no fear when facing Grievous, in Lightsaber combat. Ki-Adi-Mundi, Shaak Ti, Adi Gallia, Aayla Secura and the rest were all afraid of Grievous.

 

why was he trained in lightsaber combat if he wasn't supposed to know any Sith secrets? I think he knew, because ultimately this didn't threaten Sidious' plans. Sids was probably in more trust with Grievous than Dooku because he DIDN'T have that Sith connection. He would do whatever Sidious told him to do, including killing the Separtists if need be. Sids had all his bases covered no matter what happened. Also, Grievous had immediate knowledge about Sids body suit making lab which he became a customer of and for all conclusive reasons, gave him an inside track on whoever was gonna end up in the later devised Vader body armour.( I say this only because I believe Sids always forsaw Anakin in this suit, but that's for another topic) Yes, Greivous had the inside track.

 

Grievous was constructed on Geonosis, I believe, not on Coruscant.

And I'd love to hear about your theory that Sidious had always planned to have Vader in a suit.

While I do not think Grievous knew about Order 66, I will concede that it is possible that Grievous knew in vague terms that it was Sidious' plan to wipe out the Jedi. Grievous seems to put a lot of stock into what Lord Sidious says, which I believe stems from a healthy awe/fear of the whole Force hocus pocus he sees going on, not to mention the fact that everything Sidious says comes true. So, just as Grievous seemed to believe Sidious when he said "The end of the war is near," it's possible, though not necessary, that Sidious said something at some point like, "The end of the Jedi is near" and that Grievous ate it up.