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Hapes Consortium vs Galactic Empire

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Warsie, Aug 17, 2006.

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  1. Warsie

    Warsie Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Well, I was wondering...what would happen, should Palpatine finally say **** it" with the border skirmishes and leaving Hapes alone, and attack Hapes? I know Hapes has at least 63 Battle Dragons, two of each can disable an Imperator-class,, and hundreds of Novs-class warships. The Empire has 25,000+ Imperators, millions of smaler ships and thousands of multi-kilometer warships, with 14+ Executors. I was wondering, what would happen then.

    EDIT: also, how would the Imperials do with planetary assaults, we haven't seen much of the Hapan Army, if there is one. How would the Hapans deal with an occupation of Imperial men who treat women as subservient, though the Hapan women treat men as subservients. How would the Imperials break the will of Hapes. Would intimidation by Imperual warships work, or making an example of some people (shooting the Hapan Royal family maybe, then killing/raping/making slaves anyone who rebelled then), or mass rapes.
     
  2. rumsmuggler

    rumsmuggler Chosen One star 7

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    Ta'Chume hated the Jedi so Palps probably didn't have any beef with the Hapans. But if Palps and his Empire decided to attack the Hapans would prolly put up a decent fight for a bit. As far as ground forces, I know the hapans have kickboxers and Amazonesque women that serve as bodyguards and probably as ground force combatants as well.
     
  3. jSarek

    jSarek VIP star 4 VIP

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    The Hapans would use their greatest weapon.

    They'd hide.

    The Transitory Mists were part of what kept the Empire out, but they also served as a great hiding place - entire shipyards were kept within their cloaking ionization during the time of the NJO, and some might already have been there during the days of the Empire.

    So the Empire would be fighting a war much like they'd been fighting against the Rebel Alliance, only much more concentrated. Whereas the Rebellion had only a few capital ships capable of realistically fighting Star Destroyers, and an entire galaxy to spread them out through, the Hapans had 60+ Battle Dragons and a single sector of space to fight for.

    The Empire would likely take the Hapan planets - though of above-average difficulty, the resources and manpower available to the Empire make this nearly inevitable. But they would be constantly fighting an unending hit-and-fade insurgency, as Hapan forces would leap out of the Mists, engage their targets, and flee before overwhelming force could be brought down on their fleets.
     
  4. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    Umm I think it was pretty clear that with all those Star Destroyers, the Hapans were conquered like the rest of the galaxy.

    It just threw them out afterwards.

    The Hapans are insects compared to the might of the GE.
     
  5. MercenaryAce

    MercenaryAce Chosen One star 6

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    The EGTVVs mentioned Hapan ground veichles, although no details were given. Most likly some scout veichles, apcs and light tanks. They also had repulsar battleships.

    Several good points were brought up, but I would like to give two counter-points:

    1)The Empire only has one sector to search, so while the Hapans would have the Mists, I'm seach the Empire could colmb them pretty effectivily with enough ships.

    2) The Rebelion had the advantage of being an internal rebelion. They had people on the inside telling them all aout Imperial plans and movements. The Hapans wouldn't have that. ALso, the Rebelion could recuit freely from backwater worlds, while the Hapans would be cut off from ne personel and worn down.
     
  6. NelanisGhost

    NelanisGhost Jedi Youngling star 4

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    C'mon they're a bunch of girls and sissy boys.

    Easy win for the Empire.
     
  7. exar-tull

    exar-tull Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    the empire has the win.
     
  8. Fingolfin_Noldor

    Fingolfin_Noldor Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Well, if fleets were too difficult, then superweapons like the Death Star will have to do.
     
  9. AdmiralWesJanson

    AdmiralWesJanson Force Ghost star 5

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    Get a Star Dreadnought in there against the Hapan fleet. Once they exhaust their turbolasers against it's shields, they have to suffer through multiple barrages while their weapons recharge.

    If the Hapan fleet hides, the Empire takes the planets. Without support, the fleet loses effectiveness quickly.
     
  10. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Well, we do know that Grand Admiral Teshik was sent against the Hapans. Of course, he was given a deliberately underpowered force so that he'd fail and hopefully be killed. He survived, though. I've been considering writing up a fictional account of that whole deal.

    But if the Empire made a serious effort to retake Hapan space, they'd be defeated inside a month. They aren't like the Rebellion, they don't have an entire galaxy to hide in and populaces willing to cover for them. They'd have more of a straight-up fight, even if they tried hit-and-run tactics. Remember, the Galactic Empire was built for larger scale threats and insurrections. The very fact that they have more muscle in a smaller area than the Rebellion did dooms them.

    Forget ISDs. When the Empire mounts a serious invasion against a strong foe, you see the big guns.
     
  11. Carnage04

    Carnage04 Jedi Knight star 5

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    Yeah, one large comitted force against the Hapans and it's over. The 3 days war. Done. HUGE HUGE difference in resources. My believe is that Palpatine didn't see the Hapes as being particularily necessary in his empire. History has taught all Empires - do not overextend yourself and do not attack Russia in winter.

    Carnage
     
  12. FTeik

    FTeik Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Hapes was either conquered or a client-state of the Empire.
     
  13. seeker_two

    seeker_two Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I've always thought of the Hapans like the Klingons of SW...very highly skilled warriors who, for honor and glory, would fight to the death and take as many of their enemy with them as they could.... [face_skull]

    The Empire could defeat them soundly, but it would take a massive redeployment of their forces to the Hapan front to accomplish the victory. And that redeployment would leave the Empire open to the Chiss, the S'sui'ruk (sp?), the Nagai, the Tof, and possibly the Vong.... :oops:

    Palpatine and Ta'Chume both knew this (great, dark minds think alike, you know... [face_devil] ). Instead of fighting, they agreed to a treaty that allowed them to concentrate on other matters (Palps--consolodating power and crushing rebellion / Ta'Chume--isolating and fortifying Hapan territory).

    I'd love to see an Infinities where a full-strength Empire and a full-strength Hapan Consortium went to war. The battles would be glorious.... :cool:
     
  14. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Force Ghost star 5

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    hapes was attacked by the empire but never conquered, they captured imperial stardestroyers and made a deal with the emperor, and later presented the stardestroyers to leia! An Imperial Grand Admiral failed to get the hapans!


    so Hapans win!!! 1 cute girl can make a whole army of men go mad.. you don´t know the power of women... the dark side is nothing against women!!!
     
  15. Pelranius

    Pelranius Jedi Master star 5

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    Seriously, the Hapans would be ground into the dust by any realistic Imperial attack force.

    A Star Dreadnought could just wipe out the entire flotilla of Battle Dragons by ramming them.

    And if taking the Hapan planets by force is too costly, then there's always a BDZ.

    One Star Dreadnought and a accompanying sector group shouldn't put too much of a strain on the Imperial strategic forces.
     
  16. FTeik

    FTeik Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Prince Isolder in CoPL: "We needed someone like my mother to keep us united UNDER the Empire."

    And the military forces of the Hapans are pathetic. Not only are they to small to be of any significance, but their technology is also inferior.
     
  17. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Seeker: No, I really don't think that the Hapans would fight to the death. They guard their independance well, but people with wealth and prosperity of that level are seldom willing to lose it all.

    There wouldn't be any redeployment needed to take out the Hapans. There are central fleets around that exist for the very purpose of putting down large scale deployments. Special commands like Vader's Death Squadron or Giel's Armada would be the sort sent to Hapan space, and they'd make short work of the Hapans.

    Ceiran: Except that those Star Destroyers were captured after Endor.

    Except that the Grand Admiral was deliberately given an undersized force so he'd hopefully die in the attack.

    :)
     
  18. Amon_Amarth

    Amon_Amarth Force Ghost star 6

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    Palpy found himself an equal. Hapes fleet may have been smaller than that of the Empire, but Ta Chume ia a vicious oponent. :p
     
  19. Coonsan

    Coonsan Jedi Youngling star 2

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    If the Empire at its prime made a serious attack then Hapes wouldn't stand a chance.
     
  20. Assasin

    Assasin Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Hapan territory contains 63 (I think) worlds, mostly content. In the time of Palpatine, the Empire presided over several thousand if not million planets, many of which were determined to throw the Imps out of their homes the first chance they got. Palpatine couldnt AFFORD to commit the forces necessary to subjugate Hapes.
     
  21. Pelranius

    Pelranius Jedi Master star 5

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    Then why did a bunch of battlecruisers under the command of Captain Plikk go on a penny ante quest to blow up an interdimensional city?
     
  22. Assasin

    Assasin Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Um... I somehow fail to see the relevance ¬_¬
     
  23. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Assasin: Oh, is that why the entire galaxy was up in arms against the Empire?

    Is that why the Rebel fleet at Endor has so many thousands of ships?

    Is that why Lando and Han were talking about how little of the Empire they were actually fighting against?

    :)
     
  24. SuperSaiyaMan12

    SuperSaiyaMan12 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I'm surprised they didn't get together. They'd be perfect for eah other.
     
  25. 000

    000 Jedi Master star 4

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    We've been over this already, the Hapans were conquored and existed as a self-governing client state under the Empire. I even dug up quotes and everything.
     
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