Has George Lucas always known that Luke and Leia were siblings?

This is something that has been bothering me, because I mean, first few films the scene seems to be growing and pointing more and more into the direction of "Love Birds" between them then that of Brother and Sister . Any thoughts?

 

when filming ANH, luke was 20, and leia was 18.

but, since ANH did so well, GL decided to put that twist in, and it was evident at the end of ESB. so, he changed their ages to both be 18 at the ANH.

so in a nutshell, luke and leia were brother/sister till ESB

Bib Fortuna will be able to confirm it better than i

 

That was pretty much it John. I'm not sure if there is anything else, but we shall see.

 

Has George Lucas always known that Luke and Leia were siblings?

George Lucas was as surprised as the rest of us when he first watched RETURN OF THE JEDI and found out that Luke and Leia were twin siblings.

 

I don't think so, unless GL has a thing for siblings making out.

 

The flirtations during ANH and the open mouth kiss between Luke and Leia in ESB is enough to convince me that Lucas didn't intend for them to be siblings until sometime during the production of Return of the Jedi.

 

IIRC...


ANH: Luke and Leia are not siblings, Vader is not Luke's father.

ESB: Luke and Leia are not siblings, Vader is Luke's father, the "other" is Luke's sister (not Leia) who is training to become a Jedi, unbeknown to Luke.

ROTJ: Luke and Leia are siblings, Leia is most likely the "other" that Yoda spoke of.

 

i agree w/Plo_Koen

Lucas changes his mind as he goes.

If Luke's sister was in training? What's the explanation on who is doing the training. I guess that would've been explained in the original 6-9 episodes.

 

That was indeed part of the 9 episode masterplan, until Lucas decided to wrap it all up with ROTJ.

 

When Episodes 7-9 were being considered after Empire but before Jedi, Luke was to have a sister (not Leia) and he would spend 7-9 searching for her and defeating the Emperor. Then George decided there would be no 7-9 and that story got condensed into ROTJ at which time they kept the idea of Luke's sister, but changed it to Leia.

This was all explained by Gary Kurtz, producer of SW and ESB and GL himself in interviews that are circulating in these Forums somewhere.

 

What you guys are saying is true, but so is this, according to GL himself:

Before he wrote the final screenplay for ANH, he had a draft(which he showed to Francis Ford Coppola) where Luke and Leia were siblings and Darth Vader was their father. At that time, he was apparently a Jedi, not a Sith.
Coppola and Lucas were discussing this draft in a documentary I have on tape and this is what came out of Lucas' mouth.
So apparently, the ideas were there, but he dropped them for something more grand. Then he returned to them when he realized they might make good plot twists(that's my take on it).

 

I think he was back and forth on it. He finaly desided they were becouse Luke is the hero, the hero gets the girl, unless there is a very good reason for the sidekick to get the girl instead, like if the hero did it would be sick and wrong.

 

Before he wrote the final screenplay for ANH, he had a draft(which he showed to Francis Ford Coppola) where Luke and Leia were siblings and Darth Vader was their father. At that time, he was apparently a Jedi, not a Sith.
Coppola and Lucas were discussing this draft in a documentary I have on tape and this is what came out of Lucas' mouth.
So apparently, the ideas were there, but he dropped them for something more grand. Then he returned to them when he realized they might make good plot twists(that's my take on it).

Pity the "twist in the plot" sucked so much. I much preferred the "grand plot".

 

Can anyone post where I might read proof of these claims? Ive never heard of Lucas not knowing they were brother sister and I've certainly never hear of this 12 movie thing. Please send me a PM as I am rarely at this forum.


And whoever posted the Ben spoiler about TUF thanks alot! <-- sarcasm

 

In a documentary about the entire OT GL said Leia was not originally Luke's sister, but went with it in ROTJ. He was also not sure he would actually have Vader be Luke's father until he started ROTJ.

This was a docu that I saw during a PBS fund raiser in the 1980's, it was 3 hours about the making of the trilogy. I believe it is called "From Star Wars to Jedi".

 

I have that downloaded somewhere, I will watch it. Thank you.

 

Luke was a Farmboy,being a Moisture Farmer's adopted son,its common for Farmers and Rednecks to be Inbred which roughly translates into sexual relations with family members so in this case it isnt that weird, but being from New York City i cant understand those Hillbilly types either.

 

He was also not sure he would actually have Vader be Luke's father until he started ROTJ.

You must have missed that whole "Luke, I am your father" bit in ESB.

 

No, it was a toss up between Vader actually being Luke's father and Vader lying about being Luke's father to try and turn him. GL basically sayas that the actuality of their relationship was a father/son one when ROTJ was written, so he stuck with it. In other words, he had not made up his mind until filming.