Heres a good almost proof that Sidious and Palpatine are the same person to those who don't think so

Its not something that just says it but you see in Attack of the clones Palpatine has aged since The Phantom Menace. He has more wrinkles and some moles and stuff looking more like how he does in Return of the Jedi. NOW at the end of clones when Dooku goes to Sidious you see Sidious has aged the same way with the little light in that scene you see he has the same moles and wrinkles exactly the same that Palpatine has...I don't think I have to explain the rest of why they're the same person. But if you watch the movie again you gotta look real good at his face under the hood.

 

I wish people would finally admit they are the same person and put this debate to rest.

 

"A lot of fans don't understand that Palpatine has a dual identity. He is playing both sides for his own goals"

- Jonathan Hales

"Darth Sidious is Senator Palpatine in different clothes. No clones. No twins. Nothing like that"

- Rick McCallum

 

Yes they are but some people still think otherwise, I just want them to take a look and see how they are the same person exactly.

 

...just to spark a little more conversation...
The original Star Wars Novel makes it clear that everyone knows Vader is the "Dark Lord of the Sith". It doesn't realy say what the Sith is or what it means, but that Vader is the Lord of it.

Here is just a quick thought. Palpatine is Sideous, but when he declares himself Emperor, he relieves himself from the Order of the Sith. Being the head of the Empire/Republic/Government doesn't seem like the role one of great Jedi/Sith power would want to take, there is too much liability and lack of freedom.

Now, I understand that Lucas is sorta making the story up as he goes along, but there are many consistancies (or at least we all hope there will be), so we have to assume there is a reason why Palpatine has never been refered to a Dark Lord of the Sith as Vader is.

That just leaves the question of who is Vader's Apprentice? In the end Luke chose not to be... is there another? (sorry for the typos)

 

Cool! Thanks for the interview segments!

 

I've always believed they were the same man. There's too much coincindence to even think other wise.

Darth Sidious wants the treaty signed. Palpatine urges the queen to sign the treaty and accept Federation Control. Darth Sidious sees that he will see to it that in the Senate things will stay as they are. We see Palpatine is later elected Chancellor. Palpatine has aged tremendously in ten years. In TPM his hair was brown and he looked very normal. In AOTC his hair is white and he looks like he's been under a lot of stress. Dooku told Obi-Wan that a Dark Lord of the Sith was in charge of the Senate. We all know that Palpatine is later called Emperor Palpatine.

 

Who's Sidious and Palpatine?

 

Not only do you have those quotes from McCallum et al, but if you read the back of the TPM VHS then you'll read 'Palpatine, well known as the evil Emperor...'

 

If you look on the back of the video of THE PHANTOM MENACE it says exactly. SET THIRTY YEARS BEFORE THE ORIGINAL STAR WARS FILM, EPISODE 1 INTRODUCES YOUNG ANAKIN SKYWALKER,A BOYWITH SPECIAL POWERS, UNAWARE THAT THE JOURNEY HE IS BEGINNING WILL TRANSFORM HIM INTO THE EVIL DARTH VADER. OBI-WAN KENOBI, THE WISE OLD JEDI FROM THE ORIGINAL SERIES, IS A DETERMIND YOUNG APPRENTICE AND PALPATINE, WELL KNOWN AS THE EVIL EMPEROR,IS AN AMBITIOUS SENATOR IN THE GALACTICE REPUBLIC. Now there is the proof that PALPATINE is the EVIL EMPEROR known as DARTH SIDIOUS.

 

There was an official debate thread (which i took place in) that had odd the odds and agles and everything........if u find it and read through it at then end u will c that all the pro-cloners have changed there mind.....the debate is officially over..i dont think theres anyone denying it anymore

 

I'll admit it, at the ripe old age of 32 I still go buy star wars toys so my 2 year old son can play with them when Ep III comes out. My wish is that he'll say something like "Wow, you got this from the other movies!!!"

Anyway, because I buy so much stuff, some exclusive off starwars.com, the emperor character which you could send in for after having 10 special pieces, states it is senator palpatine before his emperor days...or something like that.

The current Palps character states something similar to that on the back too...

 

Hi guys, you want someone to brand as an idiot? Here i am, i don't agree on the points stated here...Although a lot of things point this direction and i know i'm just stubborn, i simply don't want to believe this. Ignorant isn't it?

But i also got arguments.
-Look at the way Sidious is displayed; he doesn't do anything except manipulating others, never has direct involvement in things; but Palpatine has, he is governing the Republic. Which is a job.
-Some may claim that it is required that they are the same person, because the actions of Sidious improve Palpatine's position and vice versa, like the blockade of Naboo and the ordering of the clone army. But the improvement of Palpatine's position is also beneficial for Sidious. I think this can be explained in a master-apprentice relationship. Sid being master, Palp being an apprentice. Not a clone.
-"But Dooku is already Sidious apprentice!!" I know that, and the regulation of the two Siths is being stated by Yoda in TPM, but how does Yoda know? Perhaps this regulation was once needed to keep the Sith Lords safe from detection, but the time has come for the Sith to reveal themselves, beginning since TPM. In EPIII the final forging of the empire (actually a Sith Empire) takes place, and thus can the Sith Lords finally show themselves at full strength.
- Then who is the guy in ROTJ? I believe it is Palpatine, once again governing the Galaxy. Learned the way of the dark side from Darth Sidious, who is still behind the schemes, linking for a possible bad guy in EP7-9(Although Lucas has confirmed he don't want to do these movies, he also said that about EP1-3, so maybe..) Or he is simply dead, eliminated by Yoda or Vader or someone else in EPIII.
-Another thing that really doubted me about this is the name, during the ROTJ era this guy is simply known as "Emperor Palpatine".
Why? Why doesn't he use the name Darth Sidious if he is him? Darth Vader doesn't keep his name secret either.(This point was already mentioned, but i posted this message before (by me)on another board, so i just copy-pasted it.)

Well, until EPIII, no one can deny or confirm. I think the possibilties of my theory are low, but i do believe it.

 

*Remembers the great jc debates with Gonk on this issue* Those were the days. Wow, that was over a year ago.

I wonder if Gonk still believes sidious is a clone of palpatine.

 

Hi. Here is more proof, straight from the horses mouth

About two months ago I was watching The Phantom Menace, and had the commentry playing and heard a nice little snippit.

George Lucas: "Introducing Darth Sidious as a hologram, was a way he was introduced actually in Empire Strikes Back, which was the first time we actually saw him in the first three films, so I thought it appropriate to keep that thematic device going, only know him as a hologram and not actually deal with him, except in one small scene as a real person, because I did want to make sure that you knew that he wasn't just a hologram, make him some sort of flesh and blood."

Previously, Lucas had been talking about the use of recurring themes in the films and specifically C3PO's role.

If you have the DVD, the sequence starts just about when Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan are taken into the conference room.

Edit Additions, spelling and punctuation.

Second edit DarthVid: Sorry, but I do not agree with you about Palpatine/Sidious. When Lucas said, "...way he was introduced actually in Empire Strikes Back...", he must mean Emperor Palpatine. I do agree with you about the 2 Sith at a time though.

 

Sorry but your explanation doesn't convince me. This is what I think:

ok, first: Darth Sidiuos is not Palpatine. Palpatine is an aprentice of Sidious. Darth Sidious is/was Sifo Dyaz who ordered the creation of the clones and later on forged his own death. There can only be 2 sith, why? because if there are more, two of them team up to destroy the third one. With that in mind consider this, Sidious and palpatine are working together, but, they both want to control the galaxy, not be second in command. So they both have their own apprentice that will be used to fight the other sith when the moment comes, that's why there was Maul, a field soldier and when he was gone they took Dooku. Palpatine is more patient, he was waiting for the right apprentice powerfull enough to fight Sidious. But here's another thought, Dooku asked Obi-wan to join him so both could fight Sidious... and take his place as the sith lord? Dooku could be as ambitious as the Sidious or Palpatine.

 

Wow, DarthVid is more or less agreeing with me. Didn't expect that.

By the way,
What does this proof mean? Both Sidious and Palpatine getting older? It only proves even in Star Wars people get older.
Palpatine might look like Sidious, but when i pull a hood over my eyes, i look like Sidious too....

 

I don't think George Lucas would put those specific wrinkles and moles and stuff on them both at the same spots for no reason. Why am I even saying both hes played by the same actor he is the same character. Sorry I even brought it up.

 

Doesn't matter, i love discussing the obvious.
BTW George Lucas doesn't want to proof Sidious is Palpatine, if that was true, we could've seen Sidious' complete face in TPM.
He wants to puzzle us with his identity, and make debates like this going on until 2005...

 

So where's Palpatine's apprentice before Anakin becomes it?

 

You'd think that the fact that Palpatine and Sidious are played by the same actor would seal the deal. But some people still think otherwise. Enter the clone/twin ideas.

You'd think that the McCallum quote would be enough. "Palpatine is Sidious". There it is, stated plain as day. Plus, the same quote denies any clones or twins. But this doesn't do it.

You'd think that if the McCallum quote didn't work, then the Lucas and Hales ones would. However, they apparently don't.

Then comes all the circumstantial evidence. Their goals work together, Sidious acts like an insider in the Senate, Dooku claims that Sidious is in control of hundreds of Senators, Sidious talks to Maul while standing on the balcony outside Palpatine's apartment, Sidious wears the same outfit as Emperor Palpatine does (this one was actually how I first figured it out).

Added all together, I'd say it makes a pretty convincing case. Some people apparently don't see it as such. To tell the truth, I can't see why. To each his own, I guess. Episode III will show us which side is right.

 

* Well, it's a fact that Palpatine becomes the emperor. He's a sith. Source: Databank Official Site/ Video cover/ Interviews McDiarmid...

* It's also a fact that Sidious becomes the emperor. Source : TPM audio commentary / Starwarskids:"... making way for his role as ruler of the galaxy.". He's a sith too.

Well? What do you think, do they work in shifts or what? It's so obvious Palps = Sidious: accept it!

* Other things from TPM DVD
-at the funeral scene with Qui-Gon: GL said "There is a very subtile thing going on here..." = camera zooms on Palps' face....every one knows that scene....
-at a certain scene with Sidious: GL said "the goal for Palpatine is to become Supreme Chancellor"

* Cut dialogue TPM, Sidious (seen in documentary "The Beginning"): "Everything is going as planned, soon the republic will be under my control"

* Other things:
-Empire Online interview:
And maybe you'll see that imposter who's playing Darth Sidious?
IAN: "Maybe. That's strange. That ambiguous figure, let's call him that."
- SW insider interview:
IAN: "...he has to be even more convincing than somebody who isn't behaving in a schizophrenic fashion..."

* Quotes said by TwistedMentat

* And so many other proves

What a waste of time of me I desperately hope that Eps.III will include a revelation scene for those who think they are clones or secret twins

Another prove of Ian McDiarmid's superb acting! This man is a God

 

Lucas even said during the TPM commentary when we first see Sidious.

"This is Darth Sidious, we first saw him as the Emperor in Empire Strikes Back."

Or something to that effect.

 

This is not an exact quote, but Lucas stated in the TPM Audio commentary, "I decided to introduce Darth Sidious the same way I introduced him in TESB."

They are one and the same.

 

Ian McDiarmid plays Senator-Chancellor Palpatine, Darth Sidious, and The Emperor. All of these are the same character played by the same actor.