Hey Obi-Wan, don't let your personal feelings get in the way

In ATOC, Obi-Wan tells Anakin not to let his personal feelings get in the way (When Padme falls off the ship while they are chasing the Count). Then in ROTS when Yoda tells Obi-Wan he must take care of Anakin/Vader, Obi-Wan says that he can't do it, and that Anakin is like his brother. Practice what you preach Obi-Wan (although he eventually does).

Just something I noticed, if anyone gives a hoot.

 

Probably more of a PT topic...but I agree. Much of the hypocracy and double-standards practiced by the Jedi push Anakin away from the order.

 

Obi Wan then proceeds to Mustafar to "do what he must." Seems he practiced what he preached to me...

 

and so did anakin in AOTC....the point is that they shouldnt question it

 

Yeah but you gotta take into account that this is Anakins tale. Kenobi's (as great a charachter as he is) role in the context of the story is to highlight Anakins tradgedy in his failure to teach him. Given this when Padme falls off the ship he's teaching Anakin and when he objects to putting an end to Anakin it epitomises the failure of his teachings. Its almost as if Yoda instructs him to clean up his own mess.

 

There is only one difference here. Obi-Wan had to go KILL Anakin. He was not ordering Anakin to kill Padme. He was telling him to let someone else get to her and focus on the bigger picture, ending the war. Not to mention, Obi-Wan DOES go to Mustafar. So your argument is moot.

 

Huh?

In AOTC, Anakin's "feelings" are selfish. He wants to abandon the effort to bring Dooku to justice, which could potentially end the war, so that he can save his girlfriend (who isnt supposed to BE his girlfriend in the first place). On one side..the fate of the galaxy...on the other, the fate of Anakin's girlfriend. Hmmmmmm.... Anakin is motivated by his own selfish desires.

In ROTS, Obi Wan expresses angst over having to potentially KILL a young man he helped raise and train from boyhood. A young man that Obi Wan yes, has 'feelings for' - brotherly or even almost paternal feelings. While we can discuss whether those feelings violate the Jedi Code somehow, they are feelings born of compassion and deceny. They are not selfish. Obi Wan doesnt try to avoid DANGER - he offers to take on Sidious!

There is no contest. One is an instance of monumental selfishness. One is a moment of very human compassion and regret. I dont see any moral equivalence, sorry!

Shadow

 

Yeah I have to admit the logic of this analogy to me is sort of tantamount to saying Yoda goes to Dagobah because he enjoys camping and playing with snakes. And mud.

 

On one side..the fate of the galaxy...on the other, the fate of Anakin's girlfriend. Hmmmmmm.... Anakin is motivated by his own selfish desires.

what do you mean the fate of the galaxy ?? if those rookies could at least have given a decent fight to dooku then i would agree but:

1- anakin came to his senses and went to capture dooku: dooku escaped

2- if anakin had stop to get padme then dooku would have escaped and kenobi and anakin wouldnt have been owned.

option 2 spares kenobi a few scars and anakin a right arm

 

Option II also makes them look like cowards. Jedi wouldn't run away like that. Not that Anakin was ever a real Jedi, but Obi-Wan is.

Those two "rookies" would have won if that idiot(Anakin) didn't charge forward alone.

 

It is a bit of a hypocrisy but good old Obi wan is known for his ambiguous statements throughout the saga. see the whole Vader explanation in ANH and TESB etc. It is a reminiscent scene where one more experienced Master tells the other jedi to do his duty. Obi -Wan does do what he must, like Anakin who did finally acceot the fact that he had to do his duty. It's funny how with Obi Wan there, Anakin was able to let go of Padme. Obi Wan is important to Anakin's ability to control himself in AOTC and to some degree ROTS.

 

If Jedi's were entrees,

Obi-Wan would be a T-bone, and Anakin well...a Boston Butts.


LOL!!!

 

Agreed. Kenobi acted accordingly despite the default of his actions.

 

yeah right...anakin didnt even last 30 seconds when fighting alone and kenobi even less than that...fighting together wouldnt change anything..dooku was too superior to both of them by AOTC

 

dude what the hell is a boston butts? I have never heard of that man.

 

yes, but the charge certainly didnt help their pridicament...

 

didnt help but didnt hurt either because the result would have been the same

 

Boston butts is a part of a cow you can get, I dont know Ive never had it but, its the cheap meat.



Obi-Wan actually lasted longer against Count Dooku in round 1 in AOTC than Anakin did. Someone bothered to time it once. What makes the fight with Obi-Wan seem shorter was the continuous cutaways to Padme and the Clonetrooper, you have to understand they were still fighting during those cutaways.

 

Anakin and Obi-Wan didn't last long because they didn't fight at the same time. Not to mention Obi-Wan was gallavanting across the galaxy looking for Jango, fighting a Mandalorian, fighting a space battle, being attacked by droids, surviving the arena animals, then fighting off droids. The same thing for Anakin with the arena animals and the droids. So sorry if they weren't on top of their game.

I'm sure Dooku must have been exausted from all that...sitting he does.

Obi-Wan and Anakin could beat Dooku together.

 

I don think so. If they were more strategic then perhaps it would have bought them more time till Yoda appeared. Maybe then he wouldnt have lost an arm!

 

Sithrules is trying to take things down a sidetrack...

The question isn't the OUTCOME, it is the choices made, and the motivations behind them. If Anakin had chosen to ditch Obi Wan, and go to Padme, rather than go with Obi Wan to face Dooku ... and everything had turned out GREAT, that still wouldn't have made that choice the right one, nor made Anakin's motivations good ones. Anakin was thinking selfishly.

Obi Wan was thinking selfishly only in that it pained him to think of potentially having to KILL his student. If you think that is the same kind of selfishness, fine. I don't see that - and keep in mind, Obi Wan was still TRYING to see the job done... if HE didnt go after Anakin, he knew Yoda WOULD. But was there ever really any doubt Obi would do the right thing? I dont think so. In AOTC...the moment clearly hangs in the balance..will Anakin be able to control himself and do the right thing? In ROTS, that tension is simply not there. You can tell from the get go that once Obi expresses his pain....he WILL do the right thing and confront Anakin.

Shadow

 

Anakin and Obi-Wan didn't last long because they didn't fight at the same time. Not to mention Obi-Wan was gallavanting across the galaxy looking for Jango, fighting a Mandalorian, fighting a space battle, being attacked by droids, surviving the arena animals, then fighting off droids. The same thing for Anakin with the arena animals and the droids. So sorry if they weren't on top of their game.


LOL.you are the one making excuses like this and im the one who gets rolled eyes ??

thats rich


I'm sure Dooku must have been exausted from all that...sitting he does.

doesnt make a difference..if any of them was even close to dooku they would have been able to put up a decent fight at least


Obi-Wan and Anakin could beat Dooku together.

no,they coud not.

not even in ROTS they could.

obi wan had to take a nap so the big boys could sort things out

 

I'm making excuses like you're in denial. Nothing you say will change the fact that the two of them could Dooku. See ROTS.

I already said why they couldn't put up a decent fight. I can tell you're not very...outdoorsy type, because you would understand that when one person does a lot? Then later on they tend not to have energy later on.

Take a nap? Its more like Dooku couldn't take BOTH of them on and was desperate to get rid of one of them.

Big boys? Obi-Wan and Dooku? Because Anakin is the little brat burning in the "sand"

 

At face value yeah, but you have to differentiate learning to let go which Anakin couldn't do from having to actually go and kill someone you love. He wouldn't have been a Jedi if he wasn't distressed about what he was about to do. But Anakin wanted to lets countless others die and not to mention allow the war to continue so he could save someone for selfish reasons.