How are the Grysk apparently able to make entire vassal species die for them?

Are all Grysk simply force sensitive on a very high level like apparently Yoda's species, do they use implants or other technology on their clients or could there be a way more interesting and fascinating explanation?

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Having just recently reread/read for the first time both thrawn trilogies. How I understand it works is they just subject them so throughly in both mental and physically. That their vassal people do truly think they are basically worth dying for. Think of it like mass Stockholm’s syndrome. I assume it doesn’t work on everyone and the people it does not work on end up dead.

 

Really wonder how they actually do this for an entire planet or civilization. What the steps and phases are like from first contact until they have taken over.

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Probably various methods - subjugation of the more advanced civilizations; patronizing and enlightening the less advanced civilizations. It could be something as simple as this or maybe there will be a mystical element to it to be explained later.

 

Largely because species in Zhan's work tend to work on planet of hats logic (meaning their whole society revolves around one thing or a handful of things) and the grysk are good at finding out what your hat is and using against you, like Thrawn himself does - only Thrawn focuses on how your hat affects your tactics while the grysk threaten to burn your precious hat.

 

Could it be possible that beside doing these things, they are broadcasting subliminal messages to the populations they are trying to take over, to bring them subconsciously under their control.

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Old school mob type tactics...do what we say or it will be bad for you and your families.

 

Too much like the Empire, the Sith or other antagonists imo.

Would be great to see something different and more original for a change.

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There's really not that much variation in the School of Villainy.

The Grysks are, however, more corporate in how they offload the risks onto their underlings.

 

IMO George paints much of his species outside of humanity as a planet of hats as well. Neimodians trade, Hutts do Crime, Twi’lek’s dance etc. I don’t think that’s a Zahn thing. Just a Star Wars thing. Something they have only tried to get away from recently (see brotherhood)

 

It started a bit earlier than that - Last Shot has a non-Jamaican accented Gungan.

 

Oh I am sure it started sooner. But brotherhoods plot focused around that not being the case.

 

Yeah, Brotherhood definitely goes with trying to shatter the link of all Neimodians = bad.

 

Oh and another one I just thought of. I forgot his name. But there is that Buff hutt in the comics. Which goes against the trend Hutt=Fat.

my point still stands. Though that the planet of the hat is not exclusive to Zahn or Lucas for that matter. And it’s not really a problem until your giving whatever species it is a specific earth linked accent. It’s more just boring. As making a species as multi faceted as humans makes the galaxy more interesting

 

Bib Fortuna want a word with you, and that's before the TCW.

 

That Hutt was a lot of fun. It was in the Aaron run early on.

 

I suppose it is technically possible. No real evidence of that though, as far as I am aware.

So people say, but honestly that has never been my experience. Sometimes some of the sourcebooks put things that way, but usually any species that shows up more than once shows a variety of professions and personality types. Twi'leks and Rodians in particular have been seen doing every star wars job under the sun for a long time now, rather than them all being dancers or bounty hunters. Hutts are closer to the stereotype, but even then I can definitely think of some exceptions pretty easily. And even in the films we saw Nemodians that were soldiers instead of traders.

And even if it were true in the general sense, I feel like Zahn goes even harder on it, to the point where any of his original species besides the Chiss have their individuals as more or less interchangeable. Like, Jabba, Graballa, Ziro, Durga, and Myragga may all be hutt crime lords, but they are pretty distinct individuals with different personalities and goals.

Like, the whole Grysk strategy of threatening something important to a culture kind of depends on there not being a few members of that species that might decide that sacrificing the sacred thing is worth it for freedom, or even just some individual valuing their own life enough to tattle on their masters when captured by the Chiss or Empire or something rather than dying for the sake of the thing.

Frankly, it is big reason I can't take the Grysk seriously as a threat to the wider galaxy. Their military seems way too small and technologically behind to be a direct threat and their political maneuvering doesn't seem like it would work well on a galaxy that has proven it is willing to sacrifice a lot in the name of freedom.

 

Okay. But to be fair. He breaks the mold in two ways. He is one of two Twi’leks that I know of in canon to be fat. And he also doesn’t dance.

really bib is a trail blazer


To be fair I think the two species George was deadset on all of them doing the same thing was the Neimodians and the Hutts.

no matter what in every movie and show the niemodians are portrayed as more or less the same. Same with the Hutts. Hell so far I don’t think we have seen a Hutt in canon that wasn’t one criminal or another.

I know in Legends we have a Hutt Chancellor and a Hutt Jedi. But I don’t really know enough about legends to comment.

 

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Agree, although regarding the military force - it is always a possibility for retcon that it was just the scouts, maybe even not the actual Grysk, but their proxies.

 

I have never gotten the impression that any of the forces in the thrawn novels are even a fraction of all the forces the Grysk have at their disposal. I have always thought them more as scouts or in the case of the Ascendancy trilogy them underestimating the Chiss

 

The Ascendancy Trilogy did some work with making me believe the Grysk had more firepower than what Alliances and Treason let on, what with Jixtus’ Fatespinner and the Fleet he brought to Sunrise. And to some extent that trilogy gave me a better understanding of their manipulations, which I interpreted as being akin to what modern day Russia and China are doing in Africa and Asia.

But the problem with them is ironically, for all the comparisons fans have made of them with the Yuuzhan Vong we don’t actually know anything about the Grysk as a people like we did with the Vong. We don’t know what the driving ideology of the Grysk is, what their political/military command structure looks like, what their view of the Force is or even what they specifically look like. They lack character, basically, and that makes it harder for me to believe them to be a genuine threat beyond the boarders of the UR.

 

There isn’t much to compare them to the Vong except they pose a risk to the chiss and that’s it. Why people say they are replacing the Vong I don’t know. I doubt they’ll ever Menace the actual galaxy.

 

I can kind of see some comparison between Jixtus and Nom Anor, though that’s as far as I’d go with them and even then it’s a shallow comparison.

 

The Grysk are the Disney Canon Version of the Yuuzhan Vong but they are more Nerfed and maybe the Force can affect them