How did Qui-gon know Maul was a Sith?

How could he have? There are lots on non-Jedi saber wielders in the Star Wars universe.

We know there's the Lost 20 Jedi Masters. None had joined the Dark Side to the Jedi's knowledge, but there's always the possability. There are other former Jedi Knights/Padawans who may have become Dark Force Users. There are imitators and trained Dark Jedi as well. Any of these groups of people could be trained in the Jedi arts.

So how did Qui-gon know that Maul was a Sith and that the Sith had returned? Having had the knowledge above, I'd say that's a pretty big leap for a Jedi to make.

 

The Council agreed with you. I dont know how Qui Gon knew, I think he sensed the rage and hate within Maul that only a Sith could posses. But yea Mace and Yoda probaly had the exact some points as you.

 

Good question. I just think maybe because he was trained in the Jedi arts as Qui-Gon put it, and he also as the other poster said felt the intense hate in Maul that could only be a Sith.

Not to mention Qui-Gon thinks he found the Chosen One destined to wipe out the Sith...so he probably tries to connect why he would find Anakin at this point in time. It had to be for some reason. Sith rising.

 

The fact is that he didn't know for sure. He had a strong feeling and Anakin's interception and Maul's attack along with the invasion of Naboo were all happening at the same exact time. The fact that no Jedi had reported seeing a Sith for a thousand years didn't mean that the Sith couldn't have stayed hidden.

Maul wore black robes and had a red lightsaber blade and attacked in the fashion that he did gave Qui-Gon enough evidence that the Sith had returned.

 

Maul wielded a synthetic bloodred lightsaber. Not many Jedi (putting the EU aside) wield a red lightsaber with good intentions. Maybe it's because Qui-Gon realized (again, putting the EU aside) that Maul's race had deep associations with the Sith that he caught on so quickly.

 

The fact is that he didn't know for sure. He had a strong feeling and Anakin's interception and Maul's attack along with the invasion of Naboo were all happening at the same exact time. The fact that no Jedi had reported seeing a Sith for a thousand years didn't mean that the Sith couldn't have stayed hidden.

Maul wore black robes and had a red lightsaber blade and attacked in the fashion that he did gave Qui-Gon enough evidence that the Sith had returned.

Yep, exactly. Plus Maul looked like what a Sith should look like if youve never seen a Sith before.

 

How exactly?

 

In the movies, a red lightsaber is associated with the Sith. Also, Maul was highly skilled, meaning that he had a knowledgeable teacher, was cloaked entirely in black, had a curious probe droid which aroused Qui-Gon's suspicions, and Obi-Wan had had a bad feeling about the whole Naboo blockade to begin with. The meeting of The Chosen One only days before Maul's arrival can also be seen as an omen. Qui-Gon wasn't over-reacting, he went with his gut and followed his feelings, and he was right. Maul certainly didn't look like some disenfranchised ex-Jedi like Dooku, the guy just eminated evil and hate.

 

Do sith always have red lightsabres? -i mean i realise that anakin/vader was using a blue sabre as a sith,but i think he just hadn't been given one yet.

 

A Sith using a blue lightsaber wouldn't arouse suspicion, but if you walked in the Jedi Temple and whipped out a red blade, something would go down.

 

He could have simply felt the truth of the situation through the force, he was obviously more connected to it then any master on the council including Yoda. If episode 3 taught us anything it's that, from a spiritual and knowledge point of view, Qui-Gon Jinn was a jedi without peer.

 

let's See: Red Lightsaber, Dresses in Black Robes, His whole Face has Horns and is Tattoted Red and Black, and his eyes are Yellow..

I think Qui-Gon put two and two together.

 

he didnt know, he said : "i think it was a Sith"

after the desert duel, he told OB1: "he (Maul) was well trained in the arts of the Jedi", note that he did NOT say "Au secours, I was attacked by a Sith"; and if i rememeber correctly after the plan to come back to Baboo (sp?) the Council still think of Maul as a Dark Warrior. ki-Adki (sp) said: " .. this well help to unravel the mistery of the Sith and identify the Dark Warrior that attacked you"

only after the Dark Warrior has killed a Jedi Master, than the council seriously believed that the Dark Warrior was infact a Sith; Mace said: "there is no doubt that Qui-con's attacker was a Sith"

 

However, if I dress up in women's clothing does that make me a woman?

I've got some problems....

When it comes to lightsabers, Jedi, Sith, and where your loyalties lie, I think Lucas and the EU have made it a bit complex. I agree that the red blade should be an affiliation with the Sith, no question. So when you see Adi Gallia or Sharad Hett here ( http://images.darkhorse.com/covers/40/40387.jpg ) it sorta breaks that rule. However, that's due to the brilliant minds behind the PT EU before the trilogy was even completed.

I hope there's an EU story soon to come that would explain the whole thing about Mace's old blue one, Ki-Adi's purple, and all the Jedi cats.

"He was well trained in the Jedi arts. My guess is he was after the Queen."
"My only conclusion can be that it was a Sith Lord."

I think Qui-Gon was really ahead of the game. I think he really knew a lot more about what was going on in the galaxy that maybe even Yoda and Mace couldn't sense. His relation to the Whills prove that he's preparing for something no Jedi has done before, I think the guy could realize that the person attacking him might be a Sith.

The council was totally just in not believing Qui-Gon about the boy, the Sith, the whole mess. I think that's because Lucas wanted to set up this establishment full of conservative and close-minded individuals. It sort of leads to their downfall.

It sorta does make you wonder what classifies a Sith. The yellow eyes? The red saber? The black clothing? If that's how the PT era Jedi identify a Sith, then that means the last time they were around, 1000 years ago, they had all those characterisitcs. Eh, I don't buy it. Mainly the yellow eyes thing, I kinda wish that wasn't a must with the Sith.

 

Not all Sith use red sabers. Exar Kun: Blue. Exar's Apprentice: Yellow/Orange. Darth Bane: Purple.

Secondly, what's to keep a Dark Jedi from using a red lightsaber?

 

Technically, there is nothing keeping a LIGHT SIDE Jedi from using a Red blade, without the possible exception of tradition. However, it's not like it was a former Jedi like Dooku that showed up, and Maul showed exceptional skill indicating that he was WELL trained in the Jedi arts. Qui-Gon didn't merily pop up after his Maul encounter. He pushed him hard. Because of this, he knew it wasn't a fly by night Force user that ready "Lightsabre combat for dummies"...this was one angry killing machine.

Carnage

 

Qui-Gon should felt that maul was a force user. He was trained well, he knew what to do witth lightsaber-he could be a Sith, but they had disappered so many years ago... It was only a conception.
Maybe we should look more carefuly on his dule at Naboo. After it Jedi was sure that Maul was a Sith

 

voodoopuuduu posted:
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Yep, exactly. Plus Maul looked like what a Sith should look like if youve never seen a Sith before.
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How exactly?




let's See: Red Lightsaber, Dresses in Black Robes, His whole Face has Horns and is Tattoted Red and Black, and his eyes are Yellow..

I think Qui-Gon put two and two together.



Yep, that and the unique bad Sith smell.

 

This is just a fleeting thought I just had, but considering that the Jedi have been around for 1,000 generations or whatever, I would think they would document every individual who strayed down the dark path. The lost 20 proves that they at least keep track of the important ones (masters) who disassociate themselves from the Jedi Order.

Who's to say that there haven't been a handful of knights or padawans who have gone down the same path? If so, I would think they would know who they are and where abouts they are residing. Assuming of course they wouldn't immediatly track them down and kill them before they turn into a major threat.

The sheer surprise and viciousness of Darth Maul's emergence threw everyone off guard. Nobody knew who he was or where he came from, but he was obviously trained with the dark side.

What brand of force users could elude the Jedi and be strong enough to threaten them?

Like I say, just a thought.

 

How did Qui-gon know Maul was a Sith?

Qui-Gon told the Council in episode I that his opponent was trained in Jedi arts and was talented with a lightsaber. The red blade might have given it away as well.

 

Dooku was the 20th of the Lost 20. He was the 20th Jedi to ever willingly leave the order, so the rest of Lost 20 is long dead.

 

Maul was also tattooed, like the ancient actual Sith were wont to do.
Walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, tattooed like a duck...

Why would any of the above number of others attack a Jedi
out of no where for no reason?

 

In the movies there are no "Dark Jedi" or "Non-Jedi/Sith 'Force Users'"
A "Force User" is either a Jedi or Sith (with the notable exception of The Lost Twenty which, as far as we know, were still essentially Jedi).
Take into consideration "Trained in the Jedi arts." "My Jedi powers are far beyond yours. Now, back down!" "Your Jedi weapon." Unless you're a Sith, "Force Powers" are referred to as Jedi powers.
A red saber wielding maniac attacking him out of nowhere, able to stand toe to toe with a proficient Jedi Master, and most likely creating a bad joojoo feeling in the Force. That could have been a Sith but... weren't they wiped out a thousand years ago? Which is where the main confusion comes from for everybody on the Council. It'd be like camping and coming back to tell your friends, I was attacked by a bipedal lizard monster with sharp teeth and claws and saying "I believe I was attacked by a Dinosaur!" Your friends would react like the Council, without saying "No, you were attacked by a Dark Iguana!"
This question is heavily based on the presumption of EU-based ideas not brought up in the movies, therefore, it's only a problem when certain EU ideals are accepted. So, the premise of the question is more fitting for the lit thread (where a lot of the guys/gals there could answer this till next tuesday). I'm not trying to redirect you, that's not my job, I'm just trying to better explain my stance on the question if that makes sense.
So, movie-wise, asking why no one on the Council brought up "Well couldn't he have been a Dark Jedi?" might as well be akin to asking "Couldn't he have been a Zarflax?"

 

I truly believe George did this for a reason. And I also truly believe that Anakin wasn't Darth Vader until the suit was on. The blue lightsaber showed a feeling of conflict still. He killed at the Temple, on Mustafar, and he felt *bad.* He had come to the point where he wasn't rationalizing anymore, but he knew it was too late to turn back. But the only differnce is that on Mustafar, while he was fighing Obi-Wan, he still had hope. He still had hope that Padme was alive and that he could change her mind. When he took his first steps as Vader, he had no hope. That's why I think the blue saber was used for a reason.

 

I think Qui-Gon could feel the power and hatred radiating from Maul as he was fighting him, and he knew intuitively that the individual standing in front of him was a Sith Lord. Qui-Gon also had a strong connection to the Living Force, and was able to perceive events occuring around him at a specific point in time with much greater clarity than most Jedi. It's likely that the Force conveyed to him exactly what he was fighting.