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How did Vader get to Bespin first?

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  1. KolKotha

    KolKotha Jedi Youngling star 1

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    What the hell am I missing here? Fett tracked Solo after the Falcon floated away with rest of the garbage, but how did he know he was going to Bespin and how could he have alerted Vader in order for the trap to be set?

    I probably should know better, but I just can't think at the moment.
     
  2. TwiLekJedi

    TwiLekJedi Pretty Ex-Mod star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Boba Fett concluded the Falcon was going to Bespin, informed Vader and they all jumped ahead in Hyperspace, while the Falcon was limping there on backup drives or something.

    How exactly Fett knew they were going to Bespin could possibly have several reasons. But a simple one would be, he looked in which direction they were flying and saw that Bespin is the only thing on that way ;)

    somebody else probably can explain that better, but I don't think it's wrong
     
  3. Lars_Muul

    Lars_Muul Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    It took the Falcon almost 3 months to get there, so Fett had all the time in the world to figure out where they were going.



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  4. Brandon Rhea

    Brandon Rhea Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    What are you talking about? I didn't take them three months. Source please...!!!!
     
  5. Lars_Muul

    Lars_Muul Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Official sources say that the events in TESB take about three months. I read that Lucas regretted that the timespan wasn't apparent in the movie.
    It makes sense, when you think about Luke's training.



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  6. Brandon Rhea

    Brandon Rhea Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Who is this official source?
     
  7. KolKotha

    KolKotha Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I never thought that it was three months in the interim of that journey! Still don't. I don't really buy how Fett could have made such an accurate conclusion either; enough to convice Vader to not only go himself but send a battalion of troopers, take over Cloud City and organise a carbon freezing trap for Han.
    Still seems suspect to me somehow.....
     
  8. Darth_Monarch

    Darth_Monarch Jedi Youngling star 2

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    There must have not been any locations other then Bespin that was close enough. Fett must have tracked them for a while, since he knew that the Falcon's hyperdrive was down.
     
  9. Lars_Muul

    Lars_Muul Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Who is this official source?

    LFL, presumably. You should ask Bib, because I don't know. I just know that he is very well informed on everything official in Star Wars.
    I just posted what I think, based on what I've read and believe. If you want proof, you'll have to search for it yourself, because there's no point for me to do it.



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  10. Errant_Venture

    Errant_Venture Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The timeframe that has been given for ESB is about 3 months. Its just like how ANH was only a few days, a week tops.

    Jedi, is correct as far Fett is concerned, IIRC. Only thing I don't understand is why the Falcon didn't catch Fett tailing them right after the Fleet left.
     
  11. KolKotha

    KolKotha Jedi Youngling star 1

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    That's the part I don't have trouble with funnily enough, you'd imagine Fett has all manner of jamming and stealth devices on Slave I.
     
  12. kingthlayer

    kingthlayer Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Well, Vader could've always arrived after the fact too, and made the deal with Lando. Han and Leia would've never been able to find out because they were holed up in that little apartment.
     
  13. mikadojedi

    mikadojedi Jedi Master star 4

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    part of me thinks that vader was well before han was. something about lando's meeting w/han.
     
  14. Lars_Muul

    Lars_Muul Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Something about Lando's line "They arrived just before you did" makes me believe that Vader arrived just before they did ;)



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  15. Leias_love_slave

    Leias_love_slave Jedi Knight star 5

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    Something about Lando's line "They arrived just before you did" makes me believe that Vader arrived just before they did

    [face_laugh]

    Leave it to Lars Muul to put two and two together...

    ...and get four! ;)
     
  16. kingthlayer

    kingthlayer Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Well Lando lied about everything else, so why would he suddenly start being truthful? It took Chewie's strangle hold to get him to be really helpful.
     
  17. Errant_Venture

    Errant_Venture Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    No, Chewie had nothing to do with it. If you notice he not only freed Leia and Chewie and then immedietly following Chewie's freedom, he gets strangled. Chewie didn't give him a chance to start talking about Han. I bet if he had another 5 seconds before Chewie grabbed him, he would've mentioned Han.
     
  18. The_Red_Baron

    The_Red_Baron Jedi Youngling

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    Fett must have waited until the Falcon was just a few hours away from Bespin. At that point, it would be apparent that was their destination. Then he radioed the Executor, which promptly jumped into hyperspace and arrived at Bespin right before Han did.
     
  19. Lars_Muul

    Lars_Muul Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Lando never lied to Han. He felt really bad about betraying him, but he was afraid of Vader.
    That fear is the only thing that drives him to do bad guy stuff, everything else about him is good guy.

    Red_Baron: Good theory!



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  20. crashdown

    crashdown Jedi Master star 4

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    Why do you say that Han's hyperdrive was out? I know that they were having trouble with it, but it looked like he fix it before the headed for Bespin. From the Avenger (Vader's ship) both Han and Fett zipped off like they went into hyperspace. How could they move that fast if he did not have a hyperdrive. I thought they fixed it when they were still on the asteroid?

    I always assumed that the drive was still damaged but still worked. They headed for Bespin because Han thought that they could make it there before the drive went completely out.

    I do agree that there must have been a fair amount of time for Luke's training. This may be partly the travel time to Bespin and the time they spent on Bespin before Luke finally arrived. Also part of the 3 months may have been spent on Hoth during luke's recovery after his battle with the ice creature.

    Anyway, it always bugged me that Luke had almost no time to train with Yoda. It's clear from the prequils and the EU books that it took many years, even decades, of training to become a Jedi. The Force must have been very strong in Luke for him to become a Jedi with so little training.
     
  21. Blackout

    Blackout Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    You can't win, can ya? :p
    I used to see the topic of Luke's training & the flight to Bespin on an almost-weekly basis. It was (or maybe still is?) a clutterer alongside Greedo's shooting and Boba's death.

    Reading this, it occurred to me that I haven't seen it mentioned for quite a while. The downside of this, however, is that you then have a load of people going "three MONTHS??" [face_laugh]

    Yeah, three months - their Hyperdrive was broken and they had to travel there on sublights *. Boba Fett could have quite easily forward-tracked their trajectory (they weren't zig-zagging around, they needed to find somewhere asap), done a Google search on Bespin, thought "Oh, Lando's running it now - Han knows him, therefore...". Then he cruises out of the Falcon's range, hyperspaces it back to the Executor, blabs to Vader, collects half his cash, hitches a ride (or maybe zips along in advance) to Bespin. Vader approaches Lando, makes him "an offer", then all they've got to do is wait for the Falcon to limp in and bingo. They've even got time to take in the sights first ;)

    * Think of it as having to drive from the one side of Sahara to the other, when your Citroen 2CV won't move out of second gear; meanwhile the guy behind you with a map and a knowledge of tracking/anticipating has a fully functioning Land Rover Discovery. ;)

    Or something.

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    Edit: Oh, and the sublights will let you travel up to lightspeed (providing the rest of the ship is in decent nick o fcourse), it's the Hyperdrive that allows you to travel faster than lightspeed. Even travelling at lightspeed (or just under), interplanetary travel takes a long time. Like, 3 months long...
     
  22. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    >>I don't really buy how Fett could have made such an accurate conclusion either<<

    "Where are we?"
    "The Anoat system."
    "The Anoat system- there's not much there."
    "This is interesting- Lando."

    Fett probably saw the Falcon was limping on sublights/backup hyperdrives, and that Bespin was the only place in the system for them to go, and the fact that it was run by a known associate of Solo's probably sealed the deal, so to speak.
     
  23. jango1134

    jango1134 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    The reason Vader got there first is because the Falcon was limping there on back-up drives.

    Fett knew the Falcon was going there because of this:
    "The Anot system, there's not much there." Boba Fett knew Han was good friends with Lando and he knew Lando owned property on Bespin. He could conclude Han was going there because of there's nowhere else to go in the Anot system. Fett knew they needed repairs because of a simple readout of the Falcon from the Slave I. Why else whould they be going to Bespin and not the Rebel Base?
     
  24. jango1134

    jango1134 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    "Boba Fett is the OT's version of Jar Jar, without the character development"

    TLJ Edit: a) That was kind of a flame there; b) It's a joke and a quote; c) a quote that originated in another thread where it was 'discussed' so this was off-topic and d) pretty random PT-bashing
     
  25. Ana_Labris

    Ana_Labris Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I think he means that Fett is seriously overrated? Sorry dude, I don't think he's cool either.
     
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