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How does it make sense for the clone army to be superior to battle droids?

Discussion in 'Archive: Attack of the Clones' started by --Darth_Dude--, Feb 12, 2004.

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  1. --Darth_Dude--

    --Darth_Dude-- Jedi Youngling star 3

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    How does it even make sense that droid armies predate human armies? Humans feel pain, droids don't, (for example look at the super battle droid who knocks the normal battle droid aside in order to keep on killing). Droids are relentless, they don't panic, etc etc. Plus, droids are produced faster than clones are grown.

    How could it be that a clone army is superior to a droid army?
     
  2. Bad_Feeling

    Bad_Feeling Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    The Clones can "think on there feet" & make decisions for themselves based on there surroundings & situation, whilst the droids are being controlled by a ship in space.

    Clones are also trained from birth to be warriors; no amount of programming can give a droid that.
     
  3. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Heck, the clones also don't give a damn about casualties, don't panic, and are relentless. Plus they're more flexible thinking-wise. The entire droid army counterattack seemed to be very poorly coordinated and planned, particularly after the destruction of the wheel-droids.

    Plus: The clones have superior supporting arms (gunships, AT-TEs, SPHA-Ts, Acclamator-class cruisers) and seem to be able to shift priorities more quickly. The clone army is exactly the opposite of what people expect it to be (a vast, rigid, unthinking group of morons) and appears to be highly flexible, utterly relentless and fluid, and far more effective than even a droid army that had them outnumbered five to one.
     
  4. Emos-Edud

    Emos-Edud Jedi Padawan star 4

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    We can not forget the rule of sci-fi design. The cooler the armor or prop design, the more powerful it is. As much as I like the design for the droids, the clones look much cooler.
     
  5. anidanami124

    anidanami124 Jedi Master star 6

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    There have been some good answer. But I will just say a little of what has been said. Clones can think on there feet. Where as droids can't really do that.
     
  6. Durwood

    Durwood Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    As the Prime Minister of Kamino said, "Clones can think creatively." Battle droids can only do what they're programmed to do. Clones are not limited by such constraint.
     
  7. TheFury

    TheFury Jedi Youngling star 3

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    If you watch the battle on Geonosis, it makes it obvious.

    The droids just charge at the clones. They don't have any tactics, they don't try and hit weak spots, they just charge and fire their weapons. You even see some battle droids being knocked over and crunched by their own tanks. They don't even have the brains to move out of the way.

    The Clones Attack strategicly. The single out specific targets like ships and tanks then take them out. They are just altogether smarter.
     
  8. ObiwanJohn

    ObiwanJohn Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Plus, the Clone Trooper's blasters shoot blue bolts
     
  9. Lars_Muul

    Lars_Muul Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Exactly. Blue bolts are much, much better!

    Funny, though, that it is the Jedi who come up with the weak spots, not the creatively thinking clones.
    It's Anakin who tells them to aim right above the fuel cells and it's Yoda who instructs them to concentrate all their fire power on the nearest starship. Heck, Mace even had to tell them to land in that assembly area :)
     
  10. Go-Mer-Tonic

    Go-Mer-Tonic Jedi Youngling star 6

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    Maybe the clone troopers were just above saying: "Well Duh Anakin".

    And if Mace didn't tell them to land in the Assembly area, how would they know where he wants to go?
     
  11. DamonD

    DamonD Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Well, maybe they were going to do that anyway...and decided it would be a bit rude to yell "I was about to, baldy!" at a superior officer... :p
     
  12. That_Wascally_Droid

    That_Wascally_Droid Jedi Knight star 6

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    Well they still tke orders. It's how they act out the orders that makes them superior.
    You tell a droid to attack, and it has a set number of programms it can follow to carry out the order. It's movements are also more limited. A clone can take an order and can have any number of different ways of carrying it out. Like, they're not just limited to attack, defend, escort, and 'shoot them'.
     
  13. NeoBaggins

    NeoBaggins Jedi Master star 5

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    The robots have two fat fingers an a thumb and probably wouldnt be good at piloting ships. They had entire robot ships which probably proved inferior to a ship flown by a living thinking pilot.

    Oh wait a minute. The robots can think. Any machine that can react to danger with a response of "UH-OH" must have a complex thinking process that rival the clones. Oh well, excuse my post. Bye.
     
  14. --Darth_Dude--

    --Darth_Dude-- Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I don't believe that the droids are as stupid as you guys make them out to be...

    I mean, look at this day and age. The military is starting to develop droids to do the work for them. Sure, so far we've only got small vehicles with a gun mount who can take out some people if programmed to, but imagine where that will lead. So we're going from human armies to droid armies, slowly. In star wars it's the other way around.
     
  15. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Bah, saying we're developing droids than can do my job (11-b, light infantry, basically the same as the clones but not as cool) is a serious stretch. Everything we've developed is controlled by a human at a terminal. We're a loong ways from T-800s roaming around.

    OK, if they can say things like "uh-oh", why don't we see them react flexibly. The droids don't even react terribly efficiently when Amidala bypasses them onto the level above.
     
  16. NeoBaggins

    NeoBaggins Jedi Master star 5

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    Bypass what level? Im not sure of the scene you speak of. But if they were inefficient thats simply beause they are so humanistic that like people have different descision levels and wits. They were probably not as sharp as some. But we can not ignore the fact that the droids have more personality and brains than the mutated clones. In TPM, a droid approached sidiuos hologram and remarked "These underwater village will not remain hidden for long" He displayed personal indulgence and reveled in his evil doings. What droid does that?
     
  17. Mateo

    Mateo Jedi Padawan star 4

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    You talked about Droids having no fear well thats a load of BS.

    Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon ignite their Lightsabers which are visible despite the smoke in TPM,a cowardly Battle Droid says Uh Oh!Blast Them!

    Obi-Wan is fighting Battle Droids in AOTC and they get scared and run away when they see the Nexu coming up behind him getting ready to attack,even though they could just Shoot/Blast the Nexu and then quickly attack Obi-Wan again after its dead.

    Sounds like the Moron Trade Federation doesnt have perfect droid soldiers now doesnt it?its a shame they cant be fearless and just walk forward shooting at everything without getting scared by certain things,its almost as though the personality of the builders rubbed off on the Droids.
     
  18. ObiwanJohn

    ObiwanJohn Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Uh Oh!Blast Them!

    It's the comedic loop in thier programming.
     
  19. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    "Uh-oh!" may not have been a reaction of fear, but of "surprise." In their programming, these droids did not expect the Jedi to be alive; also, they may have been unfamiliar with lightsabers.
     
  20. Durwood

    Durwood Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    The droids may also be programmed for minimal self-preservation. After all, a battle droid who showed reckless disregard for his own safety would not be much use.
     
  21. Sithman

    Sithman Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    "The clone army is exactly the opposite of what people expect it to be (a vast, rigid, unthinking group of morons)"


    Yeah, that doesn't happen until they have to start attacking the good guys. ;)
     
  22. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Yup. And even then, they still annihilate everyone around the good guys.
     
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