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  1. Miin_Bodenna

    Miin_Bodenna Jedi Youngling star 3

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    HOW long are they, this has probably been done before.

    I think it's 8 km...just think of the RA trying to beet a 17.6 KM long SSD, even with the fleet that would be impossible with all of the regular ISD's.
     
  2. Genghis12

    Genghis12 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    According to LFL, the official length of the SSD is "about 12,800m." You can find it on the official LFL website'sSuper Star Destroyer databank entry:
      "The size of a Super Star Destroyer has vacillated in numerous publications, starting with an eight-kilometer length in 1984's A Guide to the Star Wars Universe. The latest measurements peg the craft at about 12,800 meters."
     
  3. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    Note if you go by the official star wars behind the scenes book, from star wars to indiana jones, and the movies themselves, they are 11 times the length of the ISDs, this only applies to the executor-class command ships of the super-class line mentioned in BFC, of which executor belongs to.

    Also, another design that was made is the super-class command ship, which can be seen to be 5x the length of an ISD in film such as in tiefighter, or rebel assault 2, or mentioned in novels, or comics. These are tied to the executor in construction design, but are much smaller.

    Both numbers do fall under the category of being "about 12.8 km". But since it is "About" it is hardly a precise number being given out.

    So what has been figured out by going by the various sources is that two designs have been created one that is 5x the length of the ISDs flying by it, and one that is 11x the length of the ssds flying by it.

    One is executor-class super-class star destroyer(Or is that Executor-class super star destroyer?), and the other is the super-class star destroyer. If you see the films from various sources, from movies to games you can tell which are which.

    From what I can tell the 11x ones are much rarer than the ones that are 5x the length. Possibly because the 5x ones are much cheaper to produce.

     
  4. chissdude10

    chissdude10 Jedi Youngling star 5

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    Whats the big deal with SSD's latly?
     
  5. Bib Fortuna Twi'lek

    Bib Fortuna Twi'lek Jedi Youngling star 10

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    The Executor and Lusankya (and maybe a couple others) are 17.6 kilometers long. A standard SSD is 8 kilometers long. This is the correct answer.
     
  6. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    Exactly, :D.
     
  7. chissdude10

    chissdude10 Jedi Youngling star 5

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  8. Tiershon_Fett

    Tiershon_Fett Jedi Knight star 5

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    The latest measurements peg the craft at about 12,800 meters."

    12,800 x 3 = the footage. 5000 or so feet = one mile. So, nearly eight miles.
     
  9. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    "About 12,800 meters."

    "About" is not precision but a rounding off of other numbers. "About" can cover anything from 8000 meters(Most sources), to 17,600 meters(Movies, and From star wars to indiana jones), and all points in between, and even more above, and below.

    From movies and games we can see that there are ships that exist that fall into both lengths. So both are quite valid. They are all about 12,800 meters, though that is not a very precise rounding. So there are definitily two models of ships one that his longer than 12,800, and the other being shorter than 12,800 through footage proof. So there are two ships classes belonging to the super-class field. But the bigger version falls under the Executor-Class subfield according to a quote in BFC.
     
  10. Resolute

    Resolute Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Please stop asking this. It gets annoying and just takes up boardspace.
     
  11. GrandAdmPellaeon

    GrandAdmPellaeon Jedi Youngling star 1

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    "The ship's too big. If I walk, the movie would be over."

    Mel Brooks - SpaceBalls
     
  12. LanceJade

    LanceJade Jedi Padawan star 4

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    They keep getting bigger and crazier at every measurment.
     
  13. Genghis12

    Genghis12 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Actually, I'll confuse things some more.

    Note, TOS says that the latest measurement of the craft, the SSD seen in the movies (the Executer, Vader's flagship) - the craft stated to originally be 8km in WEG sources - is about 12.8km.

    Therefore, the 8km measurement is no longer a current measurement. The Imperial technician who originally made the 8km measurement was off by about 4.8km. ?[face_plain] :D
     
  14. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    8 Km, is "about" 12.8 Km actually, and 5x can be seen in official sources in film(In video games) and pictures(comics and other sources), with the ISDs floating above the SSD to prove it.
     
  15. Genghis12

    Genghis12 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Val, it's 17.6 and 12.8 - not 12.6. :D We've got too many "freaken" decimals floating about here. :D
     
  16. Fluke_Groundwalker

    Fluke_Groundwalker Jedi Youngling star 5

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    Ah, the glorious SSD length discussion. Quite possibly one of the most debated topics in the entire Literature forum. I'll just sit back and let Genghis and Val talk (and confuse me).

    Normal lit thread with Genghis and Val:

    Genghis: [Insert numerous SW facts here]

    Valiento: [Insert some more SW facts]

    Me: Wha? :confused: No likey confuserating mumbo jumbo... *goes back to playing with dulled scissors and adhesive-less glue.

    Teacher says I'm special!
     
  17. Genghis12

    Genghis12 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    :D Fluke, I think we're all... ahem... "special" for continually discussing this topic.
     
  18. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    *shakes head* Someone from LFL has got to clear this up once and for all. Even if numerous sources have different numbers, a clear and definitive number will clear up this contention once and for all.
     
  19. Bib Fortuna Twi'lek

    Bib Fortuna Twi'lek Jedi Youngling star 10

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    It has already been cleared up. Just look at mine and Valiento's posts.
     
  20. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    It's really simple, watch the movies, to see how long executor is.

    Watch the video game movies to see how long each of those ships are. Look at the comics and art drawings for an idea how long those ships are compared to the ships around it.

    You will see ships that are 5x the length of an ISD, or 8 km long, in alot of sources involving your basic ssd fight.

    You will see a ship that is 11x the length of an ISD, or 17.6 KM in the movies and a few other sources(see From star wars to indiana jones), the biggest source for this is the executor herself in the movies. This is a no brainer, you can let your eyes vouch for this.

    Next just remember that while there are two sizes for the ships for the most part, all of them are "about" 12.8 KM long, some falling to greater than 12.8, and the others falling to less than 12.8 in the visual evidence.

    Think of it this way,

    8 km = "About" 12.8 KM = 17.6 KM

    8 KM [not equal to] 17.6 KM

    8 km < 17.6 KM

    8 km and 17.6 are two different designs of the same line of ships. Both having official names.

    Executor-class(Black Fleet Crisis makes that term official) and super-class.

    Executor-class covers all the 17.6 KM ships seen in sources, there have been very few seen in most EU sources, but executor being the main one is seen in the movie.

    Super-class covers all super star destroyers that 8km long, and also used as descriptor for the 17.6 KM ships as well.

    I hope this helps.
     
  21. FTeik

    FTeik Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Depends if you ask for a Superstardestroyer in the meaning of a ship bigger than the common ISD or ships of a Super-Class.

    In the DarkEmpire-Comic we see a "Superstardestroyer" with "only" a length of 2.2 kilometers (Allegiance).

    The huge spikelike ship of the Dark Jedi Jerec from the PC-game "Dark Forces" is over ten kilometers long and would be a Superstardestroyer, too (if a ship 2.2 kilometers long is a Superstardestroyer ...).

    WEG and other sources supported us with images of ships, which are 8 km and 12.8 kilometers long.

    The eight kilometer long were called "Stardestroyers of the Super-Class", not Superstardestroyers.

    Ships of the 8 km version were mentioned in EU-novels and probably appeared in the games (as Valiento pointed out).

    Those would be: Lusankaya, Iron Fist, Reaper, Knighthammer, two of the three SSDs of the Black-Fleet. Note that the CrimsonEmpire-Comic shows us a eleven mile long Lusankaya and that it is claimed that Lusankaya is a sistership of Executor (eleven miles).

    In the novels or Comics no ship with the length of 12.8 kilometers was observed, but the games are another possibility.

    Superstardestroyer of the Executor-Class: 17.6 kilometers long (as mentioned in From SW to Indiana Jones and observed from the movies, as well as in the BlackFleet-Crisis).

    Those would be: Executor, Lusankya (if the comic and the claim of it being Executors sistership is true), Vengeance (not Jerecs Vengeance), Terror, Intimidator (the BlackFleet-Crisis, leading SSD and in that case wrongly described as being eight kilometers long) and Guardian (as shown in "Wanted by Chracken").

    Other SSDs would be the two Superstardestroyers of the Eclipse-Class with a lenght of 16 kilometers (the DarkEmpire-Sourcebook claims the Eclipse I to be 17.5 kilometers long) and four Sovereign-Class-Superstardestroyers with a lenght of 15 kilometers, that were never completed and only mentioned in the DarkEmpireSourcebook.
     
  22. Genghis12

    Genghis12 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The ship that TOS is describing is the ship seen in the movies.

    Therefore, it is this ship - the one which is Darth Vader's flagship, the one known as Executer which was originally described as 8km by WEG and has now since been measured as "about 12.8km."

    The Executer has not changed sizes, but there were errors in measuring its length.

    It's latest length is now measured at about 12.8km. To call it 8km or 17.6 km is now wrong, as its latest correct length is "about 12.8." Anything else is just plain wrong. Using the "about" loophole allows you to call the ship 100km as being "about 12.8km" too. However, I hope no one's going to start doing that.

    The latest correct measurements for the ships are about 12.8km - there are no other right answers.
     
  23. DRK_HLMT

    DRK_HLMT Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    So going by the 12.8KM length it would equal to 7.95355 miles in length.

    So what Tiershon_Fett said. About 8 miles long.
     
  24. FTeik

    FTeik Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    According to TOS its 12.8 kilometers HIGH, not LONG. That would make the Executor (height-to-lenght-ratio 1:9) 115.2 kilometers long.

    If you divide this number by eleven you get 10.473 km or 6.545 miles. That is just a half mile longer than a once intended lenght for the ISD in ANH of six miles.

    Perhaps the stats about the ISD are wrong and not the stats of Executor.
     
  25. Genghis12

    Genghis12 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Fteik...
    "The size of a Super Star Destroyer has vacillated in numerous publications, starting with an eight-kilometer length in 1984's A Guide to the Star Wars Universe. The latest measurements peg the craft at about 12,800 meters."

    If you're being honest about it, there's no other way to take the context of the measurement except as the length. The latest measurement is the latest measurement of the earlier eight-kilometer length in 1984's A Guide to the Star Wars Universe.

    Either 8km or 17.6km is a misrepresented implicit number for a measurement with an explicit fact. That explicit fact is "about 12.8km."

    That is, the official answer to the question, "How long is a Super Star Destroyer (of the variety seen in ESB and ROTJ)?" is "about 12.8km."

    The answer is not "because 8km is 'about 12.8km,' you can call it 8km or because 17.6km is 'about 12.8km,' you can call it 17.6km." We're not playing "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon - the Super Star Destroyer Edition" here.

    I also don't think the question was how long were SSD's thought to be measured at when the movies came out or how long were SSD's thought to be measured at when From Indiana Jones... was published. The question which generally keeps popping up in various forms is "how long is that thing which Ackbar calls a 'Super Star Destroyer' from the movies."

    The latest official measurement of that ship (and ships like it) is "about 12.8km."
     
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