How MIDICHLORIANS still preserve the MYSTERY of the FORCE

Many loyal citizens after watching Episode I for the very first innocent time, decided with disgust that the new concept of Midichlorians took away the glorious mystery of the Force.

People hoped and wished that the unique touching of the Force was due to a divine MYSTICAL presence and fate, not for the SCIENTIFIC means which Episode I forcefull portrays.

I however, have discovered a notion that still preserves the MYSTERY of the Force. I believe that every satient being in the Galaxy Far, Far Away has imbedded in their genetic structure the microscopic celluar life-form known as Midichlorians.

The MYSTERY of the Force determines however, which being can COMMUNICATE with the Midichlorians, as Qui-Gon clearly states to Anakin Skywalker.

 

I still don't understand what's less mysterious about the Force after the introduction of midichlorians, myself...

>>>>I believe that every satient being in the Galaxy Far, Far Away has imbedded in their genetic structure the microscopic celluar life-form known as Midichlorians.

"Midichlorians are microscopic life forms that live inside all living things"- Qui Gon Jinn, Episode I

While this backs up the first part of your quote, it refutes the second- midichlorians are microscopic life forms, independant of the "living thing" that they live inside. This is different to being a part of their genetic structure.

(But if midichlorians live in ALL living things, and midichlorians are living things themselves... Hmmm... )

 

MIDICHLORIANS live in only the lives who have loved and lasted a long loose livid lucious lusting lukewarm lemming.

 

I dont get it either Scott.

The Force is still mystical, we still don't know what IT is.

However all the Midichlorians helped do was to explain how the Force connects with other beings and why certain beings are Force Sensitive.

Usually this whole argument that Midichlorians ruined the Force is just an excuse to bash TPM and the prequels, and is really born out of some people not understanding its premise.

 

I think there's still a mystery, just not like it was before. If anything, Midichlorians cause more questions than answers.

How do Midichlorians talk to the Force?

How did the Midichlorians come into being?

If Midichlorians are the link between beings and the Force, where does the Force come from?

Then you get into the whole "What is the Force" mystery.

 

"How do Midichlorians talk to the Force? "

In Huttese of course

 

The Force is still mystical, we still don't know what IT is.

[Obi-Wan]It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us and binds the galaxy together.[/Obi-Wan]

 

The problems came when people got confused and started thinking that midichlorians were the force instead of just a conduit.

 

I never had any poblems with the midichlorian theroy. I like it.

 

IMO midichlorians make the Force seem more like a biological thing, rather than spiritual like I always envisioned it.

 

In ANH, Ben says that "It's an energyfield, created by all living things."
Spiritual indeed.
Now, look at TPM. According to Qui-Gon, the Force has a will. Please explain to me how that makes the Force more of a biological phenomenon.

 

The Force, or something very similar, exists in real life. By lowering into a theta state, and having total faith in it, similar things can happen.
You'd have to be VERY good to move stones around, or directly influence somebody's mind ala Ben Kenobi. But, the general feel is based on it.
Even Luke's telepathic message to Leia from ESB can be possible, but probably not to the specific extent the movies would like us to believe.

But I have no idea where 'midi chlorians' would fit into this.
I'll post again later with some links.

 

"Now, look at TPM. According to Qui-Gon, the Force has a will. Please explain to me how that makes the Force more of a biological phenomenon."

it doesnt. requiring a certain amount of midis in your blood to determine your ability to use the force does.

 

The Jedi Order use a biological menthod on people to see if they need to be trained. That doesn't destroy the mystery of the Force, at least not in my view.

 

technically no, the mystery of the force is still there, however the use of the force and how it relates to people is totally changed with midis. its like saying you can only be good at being christian if you have a certain amount of white blood cells... not very mystical if you ask me.

 

"its like saying you can only be good at being christian if you have a certain amount of white blood cells... not very mystical if you ask me. "

Interesting and good point.

I love this will of the Force thing. First it's an energy field that penetrates, surronds, and binds us together. Sort of like radiation from the Sun. Now it has a will. So what we have here is an energy field that can communicate w/the person via the midi's with a sense of Ego and identity both of which are required for a will. Interesting

 

>>>>it doesnt. requiring a certain amount of midis in your blood to determine your ability to use the force does.

No- that's the Jedi selection procedure that has become biological, based on an individual's midichlorian count and by extension, their innate ability to "hear" the Will of the Force.

Midichlorians have nothing to do with one's ability to use (ie. manipulate) the Force. Otherwise Anakin would be able to manipulate the Force in TPM (which he can't) and someone who had been passed over by the Jedi as Palpatine apparently was would not.

 

All the midi-chlorian count does is determine the talent someone has for manipulating the Force. Since Anakin's mC count is much higher then everyone else's, his talent for using the Force is greater. He will learn faster, but that doesn't guarantee that he will be a more powerful Jedi. If someone with half his mC count is twice as ambitious and trains twice as hard as him, they will end up being equally good at using the Force.

 

>>>>All the midi-chlorian count does is determine the talent someone has for manipulating the Force.

I'm not sure that's even the case- it's never said or alluded to in the film, and if true, it leaves a big question mark over why Palpatine wasn't detected and trained by the Jedi.

 

A Sith Lord obviously found him first.
I think it's unreasonable to assume that the Jedi discover all Force sensitive persons in the galaxy. Most of those that are found are also probably too old to be trained. Anakin wasn't discovered until he was 9, remember?

Maybe it's not about talent for Force-using. The midi-chlorians tell us the will of the Force. The more midi-chlorians you have, the more you will be able to understand the Force, which means that you will be more suitable for becoming a Jedi. A person who doesn't understand the Force would be a pretty lousy Jedi.
So I guess the Sith don't care too much about midi-chlorians.

However, if mC count does not equal talent, why is Palpatine so interested in Anakin? Does he want someone at his side who can really understand the Force, because he himself can't? Or is it just because he has noticed that Anakin is the most gifted Jedi he has ever met and seems a fitting target, since he was found at a late age?
Is that what he always does? While he has an apprentice, he secretly manipulates a Jedi he can use just in case his apprentice dies? Did he do that with Dooku while Maul was alive(Dooku also began his training later than usual)?

 

even you guys seem pretty confused about it.

 

>>>>A Sith Lord obviously found him first.

Pure speculation though- I'd say it was equally obvious that Palpatine has a low midichlorian count.

>>>>I think it's unreasonable to assume that the Jedi discover all Force sensitive persons in the galaxy. Most of those that are found are also probably too old to be trained. Anakin wasn't discovered until he was 9, remember?

Sure, but Anakin wasn't born in the Republic- Palpatine apparently was. And I imagine that Jedi probably don't go to non-Republic worlds all that often.

>>>>Maybe it's not about talent for Force-using. The midi-chlorians tell us the will of the Force. The more midi-chlorians you have, the more you will be able to understand the Force, which means that you will be more suitable for becoming a Jedi. A person who doesn't understand the Force would be a pretty lousy Jedi.
So I guess the Sith don't care too much about midi-chlorians.

That's exactly how I see it.


>>>>However, if mC count does not equal talent, why is Palpatine so interested in Anakin?

Although I don't think a high midichlorian count is the reason for Anakin's talent with the Force, Anakin is still a talented Jedi.

>>>>Does he want someone at his side who can really understand the Force, because he himself can't? Or is it just because he has noticed that Anakin is the most gifted Jedi he has ever met and seems a fitting target, since he was found at a late age?

My guess is that he's simply an easy target for corruption, although it could be that Palpatine knows something about the Chosen One thing, and figures that keeping Anakin close to him would be the best way of foiling the prophecy- a "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" kind of thing.

>>>>Is that what he always does? While he has an apprentice, he secretly manipulates a Jedi he can use just in case his apprentice dies? Did he do that with Dooku while Maul was alive(Dooku also began his training later than usual)?

Hard to say- I'm guessing that Episode III will clear this up when it reveals the story behind who messed with the archives, ordered the clones etc.

 

While a high midichlorian count is obviously an indicator that one has a strong force potential, there is nothing to suggest that one with a low or undetectable midi-count can not become a powerful force user in their own right.

While the true significance of midichlorians has yet to be fully revealed (if it will at all), in truth, it could be nothing more than a simple screening process, much like a college screens applicants to give preference to the best and brightest, and while a high school dropout has little chance of being accepted by an institution of higher learning, it's not unheard of for one to go on to become a millionaire.

So looked at from that perspective, everybody has the capability to become a Jedi, but the Jedi counsel only ever bothered with those who would be the easiest to train. Perhaps Palpatine just didn't have a high enough midi-count to register on the Jedi radar, but whoever trained him may have been more interested in his keen mind and deceptive nature than his potential in the force.

 

even you guys seem pretty confused about it.

And you still don't think it's a mystery?


You bring up an interesting point, Scott: Was Palpatine tested and rejected by the Jedi council? Was that when his Sith Master got notion of him and adopted him, killing his parents in the process(or were they already dead)?
Does Palpatine therefore hate the Jedi because they were "to good" for him? If that is his motivation, we're sure to find out in EpIII!
But I don't think so, actually. That would make him another tragic character and Star Wars doesn't need that. It needs someone to represent pure evil. Some fans were disappointed when Darth Vader turned out to be good deep inside. Let Palpatine be their saviour!

 

It's confusing and it's a hamfisted effort at an explanation to allow Lucas to say that Anakin is "The One". Oh joy, yet another "The One".