How strong are Mandalorian

Mandalorians are supposed to be the best in the galaxy. Jango Fett and his son Boba Fett are prime examples of such. But how strong are they, really. The standard, every day Mandalorian.

 

Depends on the mandalorian... They aren't much different than any other humans...

 

Any hints from Open Seasons?

 

Mandalorians are supposed to be the best in the galaxy. Jango Fett and his son Boba Fett are prime examples of such. But how strong are they, really. The standard, every day Mandalorian.

The thing is, are we classifying Mandalorians as a RACE, or as an ORGANIZATION? It matters, because if you mean the former, Jango wasn't a Mandalorian - he was inducted into the group by necessity, and then developed skill, and since the Mandalorians are essentially wiped out (except for a few) by the time Boba is growing up, I certainly wouldn't classify Boba as one, either.

 

Boba techniqually is neither.

I classify them as an organization, like the Jedi. I've always thought they were the Jedi equivelant. They used technology instead of mystic pwers, yaddah yaddah yaddah. So what am I right?

 

I always thought of them as the combination military of mandalore/huge mercenary organisation.

 

Since they're just an organization, I'd find it difficult to specifically define "how strong" they are - I mean, if they're a product of their training combined with experience and natural talent, it could probably vary greatly. I don't think it's unreasonable to say that Boba and Jango are substantially better than average, though.
Also worth pointing out, people who use Mandalorian armor aren't necessary Mandalorian - I daresay Jodo Kast is (err... was) NOT a Mandalorian.

 

Yeah, the actual Mandalorian species was wiped out sometime between 4000 years BBY and the prequel era. The Mandalorian organization during that time was primarily made up of humans from the planet Mandalore or elsewhere.

 

Well, Fenn Shysa, and Tobbi Dala were part of the mandalorian race(ya its a unique race) of humans, IIRC, according to WOTC. So I don't know where you got your idea that they went extinct?

 

Hmm.. a few questions:

1. I just read "The Sith War" for the first time a few days ago, and Mandalore (apparent leader of the Mandalorians at that time period, 4,000 years BBY, right?) says his homeworld is different from the planet "Mandalore". What's up with that?

2. So the Mandalorians ARE their own sub-race of humans (like Corellians, Alderaanians, Adumarians, etc)? I didn't realize that.

3. Where are Fenn Shysa and Tobbi Dala as of "Jango Fett: Open Seasons"? They're not even born yet, right?

4. If the Mandalorians are their own race of people, then Jango definately isn't a "Mandalorian", is he? The closest he could be is kinda an "honorary" Mandalorian, right? Beyond this, were the Mandalorians on Concord Dawn (either the ones Jaster led, or the Death Watch) actually Mandalorian by birthright, or just some merc group that wore the armor and called themselves Mandalorians?

 

"1. I just read "The Sith War" for the first time a few days ago, and Mandalore (apparent leader of the Mandalorians at that time period, 4,000 years BBY, right?) says his homeworld is different from the planet "Mandalore". What's up with that?"

At that time the Mandalorians was an organization that took members from humans, and other species from all over.

"2. So the Mandalorians ARE their own sub-race of humans (like Corellians, Alderaanians, Adumarians, etc)? I didn't realize that."

Yep, and its possible but unconfirmed(though not denied either) as far I know, that Jango actually was blood-Mandalorian, just his family was living on another planet. Just something to think about.

"3. Where are Fenn Shysa and Tobbi Dala as of "Jango Fett: Open Seasons"? They're not even born yet, right?"

Yes, not even born yet. They were young during the clone wars when they began fighting. One sourcebook says mandalorians usually take recruits that are about 12-13, IIRC.

"4. If the Mandalorians are their own race of people, then Jango definately isn't a "Mandalorian", is he? The closest he could be is kinda an "honorary" Mandalorian, right? Beyond this, were the Mandalorians on Concord Dawn (either the ones Jaster led, or the Death Watch) actually Mandalorian by birthright, or just some merc group that wore the armor and called themselves Mandalorians?"

Most were Mandalorians most likely. They fled from mandalore to the nearby world of Concord Dawn, IIRC. That world seems to either be in the same system, or nearby system. If it is in the same system it would still be a mandalorian world. It might even be a colony system if its in a nearby system.

Again like the old Mandalorians, the Mandalorians at this time are an organization that do take in people from other worlds, but apparently only humans at this point in time.

 

Yep, and its possible but unconfirmed(though not denied either) as far I know, that Jango actually was blood-Mandalorian, just his family was living on another planet.

I dunno how much I buy that... I'd assume that once you become a Mandalorian, you'd be one for life, and with that being the case, what's Jango's father doing raising a family and running a farm? Beyond that, why wouldn't Visla or Jaster recognize Jango or his family as being (former) Mandalorians?

They fled from mandalore to the nearby world of Concord Dawn, IIRC.

I didn't know Mandalore was near Concord Dawn - do you know of any specific source that says that (or tells/shows where either planet is, in the grand scheme of the galaxy)?

 

"I dunno how much I buy that... I'd assume that once you become a Mandalorian, you'd be one for life, and with that being the case, what's Jango's father doing raising a family and running a farm? Beyond that, why wouldn't Visla or Jaster recognize Jango or his family as being (former) Mandalorians?"

Huh? You seem to be confusing the difference between Mandalorian organization, and blood Mandalorians. Not all blood mandalorians are commandos. They have farmers, and regular people in other careers that have nothing to do with the warrior groups. If Jango was blood-Mandalorian sure he'd been blood Mandalorian for life. You can't remove your heritage, but being of the Mandalorian race doesn't make one a warrior...

Though I'm not sure any source says that Mandalorian Warriors, can't retire however... ?, where did you get that they couldn't?

On a related note, IIRC, according to Open Season, Jaster Mareel was from Concord Dawn originally before he joined the Mandalorian group he was a leader of. However, his group wasn't the only force of Mandalorians, there are other units as well back on Mandalore, those of course would have been the ones that Tobi Dala and Fenn Shysa joined considering that Jaster's group was completely decimated. There is no evidence that Mandalorians from one group of warriors would recognize warriors from another group of warriors.

"I didn't know Mandalore was near Concord Dawn"

Open Season only mentioned it, IIRC, it doesn't have a map though, sorry... Though it may have been another source I read...

 

Open Season only mentioned it, IIRC, it doesn't have a map though, sorry...

Hmm... I must have totally missed that. And I just re-read Open Seasons a few weeks ago, too.

Huh? You seem to be confusing the difference between Mandalorian organization, and blood Mandalorians. Not all blood mandalorians are commandos. They have farmers, and regular people in other careers. If he was blood-Mandalorian sure he'd been blood Mandalorian for life. You can't remove your heritage, but being of the Mandalorian race doesn't make one a warrior...

Yeah, I was kinda mixing the two up. However, even in light of that, I still don't think Jango just HAPPENED to be a blood-related Mandalorian - you'd think Open Seasons would make a bigger deal out of it if he was.
Do you have any specific sources that say/hint that he's related to the Mandalorians by blood?

 

"Do you have any specific sources that say/hint that he's related to the Mandalorians by blood?"

Only Marvel, some ESB scrapbook, and possible ESB novel did for Boba, and a few other vintage sources, IIRC, I was just throwing out a possible fix that could put things together smoother. Especially since no source stated that Jango didn't have any mandalorian blood.

On a related note, IIRC, Jaster has been said to be both Mandalorian by blood, according to an article by WOTC, I recall reading, yet he's from Concord Dawn. Which seems to point out that Concord Dawn may be a Mandalorian colony of some sort. It would make perfect sense if they are near each other.

 

The guys we see are the Supercommandos and other warriors.

They are the ones who are the best in the galaxy.

It's like if some space alien encountered Delta Operators or Navy SEALS and assumed that all earthlings are as skilled in combat.

Joe Schmo Mandalore is about as much of a warrior as your average human. Their entire planet and population was enslaved by Imperial slavers during the OT-era.

It was only the surviving Supercommandos with help from Leia, et. al that helped free the regular Mandalorians.

 

"Joe Schmo Mandalore is about as much of a warrior as your average human."

Yep, and being a Joe Schmo is nothing to make a big deal about, LOL.

 

Only Marvel, some ESB scrapbook, and possible ESB novel did for Boba, and a few other vintage sources, IIRC, I was just throwing out a possible fix that could put things together smoother. Especially since no source stated that Jango didn't have any mandalorian blood.

Oh, so it said that BOBA was Mandalorian by blood (in theory - I mean, you could potentially chalk that up as one of the many random rumors that Boba allows to circulate about himself, no?), and the only way for that to be true is if JANGO was Mandalorian by blood.
However, I don't think I buy the logic of "since it doesn't say he's NOT Mandalorian, it means it COULD be true". By that logic, I could say that, say... Ace Azzameen is also a Mandalorian, because no sources say he's not from Mandalore. See the problem with that?

 

No there is a difference, there is evidence for Boba Fett being a mandalorian, there was no evidence for Ace being one. It would really be stretching things to try say Ace was one. Had there been no evidence for Boba, I wouldn't have even brought it up.

Besides I don't buy that rumors thing because it destroys many very cool, vintage stories(while turning characters that would know into liars, imposters, and posers, Fenn Shysa's story for instance), and doesn't make sense when Boba Fett remembers many of them as have actually happened in older material(Boba considers Fenn Shysa. and Tobi Dala, the real deal, not imposters in TEOD, and he kills Jodo Kast for being an imposter and poser)... Basically it compounds things and creates more continuity errors to try to say they didn't happen, when even Boba Fett remembers them... Not only that how in the world would omniscient narrators in some of the sources spread false rumors if they are omniscient(Narrator knows peoples thoughts, and can see everything).

As I mentioned if Fenn Shysa, and Tobi Dala were liars, imposters and posers spreading false rumors, then that would make Boba Fett a liar, imposter, and poser for allowing them to talk, and spreading that information himself. If Fenn, Tobi, and Boba Fett were lying, then they would all be imposters, "nothings"(to quote TEOD), that would make the fact that he killed Jodo Kast for the same reason highly hypocritical. It just doesn't make any sense. The only way it would make sense is if Fenn Shysa, Tobi Dala, and Boba Fett were telling the truth.

 

Here's a fix I presented on the DHC boards about how we can reconcile the Marvel backstory:


There are more than a few reasons for a thirteen year old Boba to go to Mandalore:

1) He hears that Mandalorian Warriors still exist on Mandalore. He goes there for more training (after all, he's setting out to be the best bounty hunter in the galaxy). He's ten years old. He's good, but he has a lot more to learn before he's the death machine we see in the Era of Rebellion.

2) Perhaps a bounty hunting missions sends him there, and he gets swept up in the conflict?


Anyway, here's a way to make it work...

The Mandalorians went into the Clone Wars "On Palpatine's side..."
Now here's the thing...ESB novel says they fought the Jedi...therefore, it's very plausible that the Mandalorians were working for Darth Sidious (similar to how Kinman Dorian was working for Sidious AND Palpatine in Hero of Cartao) and that Sidious sends the 219 Supercommandos to assasinate Padme, who looks quite a bit like Leia, hence Shysa's line about getting familiar with her looks in Marvel # 69 (sometime before Episode III). They are intercepted by the Jedi. The Jedi wipe out all but three of them...three children who are able to escape the battle (and return to Mandalore).

On the way home, they catch a report by Palpatine who claims the Mandalorians are terrorists (perhaps they notice the similarity between Sidious and Palpatine, hence how they know they were working for Palpatine), and that action must be taken to stop future attacks. When the children return to Mandalore, they find Clone Troopers have taken it over, and have put marshal law in effect. Eventually, when Palpatine declares himself Emperor, the Empire will enslave the populace. Boba Fett leaves Shysa and Dalla to sort out the mess...he has bounty hunting to do.

There's how you reconcile:
a) Boba Fett being a child AND a Mandalorian.
b) The Mandalorians fighting Jedi AND working for Palpatine.
c) Why the Imperials are so hard on Mandalore.

 

Simpler fixes.
1. Jango is a Mandalorian. Boba is a clone of Jango as well as being Jango's son. Hence Boba is a Mandalorian.

Problem solved.

2. Mandalorians fighting Jedi and working for Palaptine. In the PT-era, everyone is working for Palpatine.

Problem solved.

3. The Imperials are evil bastards who are hard on everyone. Mandalorians produce Mandalorian supercommandos who are the best warriors in the galaxy. The best warriors in the galaxy are a threat to the Empire. That's the reason they're so hard on the Mandalorians.

Problem solved.

 

Sounds like great ideas for fixes, mav, and genghis.

 

2. Mandalorians fighting Jedi and working for Palaptine. In the PT-era, everyone is working for Palpatine.

Problem solved.

Makes me wonder... what does Durge think of all this? If Durge is killing Jedi, and Mandalorians are killing Jedi, then that means Durge is on the same side as the Mandalorians. Maybe he just doesn't realize this yet...?

 

Mavrick--I think you're making this a little too complicated. The TESB novel does say that the Mandalorians were wiped out during the Clone Wars, but that could just as easily refer to Windu's decapitation of Jango at Geonosis. I tend to think that they were fighting on the side of the Republic. They'd have to be pretty sharp to realize that Palpatine and Sidious were the same person, considering that Nute Gunray and even Doriana, who was Palpatine's personal aid for a decade or more, didn't catch on.

Also, Fenn just says that he became familiar with Leia's features during a briefing on enemies of the Empire. It doesn't need to be connected to the Clone Wars. (The picture shown also very clearly depicts Leia, as opposed to Padme.) There are any number of reasons for Fenn to have been present at such a briefing, and any number of times for that briefing to have occurred.

Other than that, though, it's pretty similar to what I'd been thinking about. I particularly liked the bit about them returning to find Palpatine setting up marshal law with the clonetroopers. I had the Mandalorian government hiring Boba to train a new group of Mandalorians in the last year of the Clone Wars, though (don't forget that Boba was Shysa and Dala's commanding officer.) I think a good story element to this tale, if it's ever told, would be Boba coming to grips with the fact that others deserve the privilege of wearing the Mandalorian author. In the Boba Fett books, he feels that he's the last of the Mandalorians; it would be interesting to see how he came to respect Shysa and Dala enough to feel that they are true Mandalorians, the attitude he expresses in TEOD.

Here's an idea, though: what if Fenn's group of supercommandos was devastated by Durge, fighting on the side of the Separatists?

TC

 

Also, Fenn just says that he became familiar with Leia's features during a briefing on enemies of the Empire. It doesn't need to be connected to the Clone Wars. (The picture shown also very clearly depicts Leia, as opposed to Padme.)

I'd certainly hope it isn't connected to the Clone Wars - Leia didn't exist during the Clone Wars, and neither did the Empire, for that matter.