How strong is Lumiya (Tempest spoilers)

I am a bit confused as to how strong & talented Lumiya is. She is obviously a master of manipulation, she is also highly skilled at projecting force phantoms (although I think she needs to be on the dark side infested asteroid to be able to use this power). However in combat Lumiya confuses me.

Nelani Dinn a jedi of average ability has her beat until Jacen interferes on her behalf (although she may have been over playing her weakness ala Palpatine)

Tresina Lobi then has her at sixes & sevens before she succeeds in killing the jedi master with the aid of Alema.

Then suddenly Lumiya is able to wound Mara Jade & nearly kill Luke.

Now admittedly Lumiya had a plan for the fight (using hostages as a shield) and she probably wouldn?t have got through Lukes defenses without Aleemas distraction. But the fact remains that at one stage she was successfully fending off both Masters simultaneously (one of whom is the Jedi Orders Grand Master, The son of Anakin Skywalker and the men who destroyed the entire killik nest single handedly).

So what gives?


Also Jacen Solos struggle to handle Aurra Sing (and the fact that Leia realizes that she and Han would be overmatched if they fought her) shows how far the new jedi order is behind the old jedi order in terms of skill with the lightsaber.

 

Luke is written badly by the authors, they can't write Luke as being too godly, so they purposely make him weak.

 

Tempest Spoiler tag?

 

Seriously? That is even more annoying than the Luke/Lumiya thing, which isn't even THAT annoying so much as "rather confusing".

I re-read PoD the other day though, and the whole "The lightwhip is pretty much the hardest weapons to defend against becuase no-one has a huge amount of experience with it" has made the Luke/Lumiya fight less of a bother for me. Though I still think Luke of all people should have been able to survive without getting injured.

 

Well, he should have been a tangential character once he'd become THE master and already kicked Palpatine's arse. Yeah.

I'd have preferred it if they'd made the post-RotJ more like the pre AotC EU - not so much "galaxy shattering conflicts" but rather stories about individual characters here and there, making their way throughout the galaxy. Luke had already faught (and won) the BIG WAR of his time, why does he need to go through so many more of them?

 

Did you mean: "How strong was Lumiya?"

Or at least I hope so.

 

I think your hoping in vein. Lumiya is alive and will pop up again later on in the series. And next time Luke really will kill her.

 

The only reason that Lumiya was doing so well was because Luke was distracted by Mara.

As for Aurra Sing, I suspect Jacen was just out of practice.

 

Wasn't Jacen distracted by having to protect his daughter?

 

This is non-canon and pure speculation on my part but I welcome anyone to suggest if its problematic as an interpretation of events.

How strong is Darth Lumiya

Originally one of the Emperor's hands and capable of drawing on his power as empowered by his will like all of them theoretically could, Lumiya was trained in numerous abilities in the Force that would allow her to serve as a spy and assassin for his majesty as presumably was the limits of all trained assassins without previous force experience such as Roganda Ismaren and Mara jade. These being "her abilities." However, prior to the Emperor's sending her upon a mission to destroy Luke Skywalker, she was privately contacted by Darth Vader in her academy training and began a full training session with the Dark Lord of the Sith that resulted in severe psychosis overtaking her (see the Carida training)

Post her mutilation by Luke Skywalker, her training as a Sith Lord began as we can presume she received as much training as a Full Jedi Knight might possess as Vader prepared for her to help him overthrow Emperor Palpatine even though he fully intended to replace her should his son join him in the Dark Side. Vader also trained Flint as the two were likely expected to fight to the death to see whom would eventually aid him in destroying Palpatine (or perhaps something less wasteful)

Lumiya's cybernetics are less extensive than Darth Vaders as well with her main problem primarily being the amputation of her legs, a deformity of the face, and some damage to her sex organs from the looks of things. None of these being equivalent to the nightmarish wounds Anakin Skywalker suffered. My speculation is that the Dark Lady has no real damage to her that prevents her from achieving the same level of Force potential as she did pre-injury as Vader's problems was primarily the inability to repair his basic body to be able to function again without pain.

Lumiya's continued study of the Dark eventually allowed her to 'complete' her training with study of Sith magic. At that point become equivalent in power to a Sith Lord of old. Roughly equivalent to a Jedi Master in strength but nowhere approaching the Emperor or Darth Vader in might. Lumiya's skill with a Lightsaber is a master's level in ability and definitely equivalent to a Sith Battlemaster of Old. Probably as dangerous as Darth Maul.

In general, Lumiya's tactics would allow her to give Luke an exceptionally hard time as they are based on tactics and trickery as much as strength. In any protracted confrontation the battle would almost always go to Skywalker but her nature of fighting style is using a lengthy weapon to keep an opponent at bay. Thus, it would be impossible for Luke to defeat her EASILY. Even Vader struggled against the Dark Woman despite the outcome never in doubt.

 

I created a similar thread a few weeks ago but I have sort of rectified it in my own head by the whole "Planning" angle. I think at this point if Lumiya can do anything, she can scheme. The fight with Lobi earlier was the spur of the moment thing so she couldn't have previously laid the terrain out to be to her advantage. With time to plan and put together a scenario where everything can "Proceed as she has planned" she will be a much tougher enemy. Luke was planning for an emotional reunion with his son. Lumiya was prepared for a battle to the death.

The Nelani bit - that is certainly a Palpatine/Anakin type incident. "JAAAAACEN. THIS RED SHIRTED JEDI IS ATTACKING MEEEEEEE! I AM OLD AND PART CYBORG AND AM VERY WEAK! I DON'T WANT LUKE TO DIIIEEE EITHER! WAAAAAAA! I KNOW YOU'LL DO THE RIGHT THING!"

Aurra Sing vs. Jacen. It would seem Jacen should destroy her easily but there are some odd moments in the EU where Aurra does things that it doesn't seem like she should be capable of. A big deal was made of Sharad Hett, The Howlrunner, the Champion of Worlds! Aurra cuts him down. Two Jedi masters go to beat her on Courscant. Aurra cuts them down. 3 Jedi masters, a Quarren army and a Padawan land. Aurra kills the army, and nearly kills one of the Masters before getting beat by the Padawan (?) but survives. Finally, she lures two Jedi Masters into a trap (Dark Woman and Tholme) where they nearly die and have to spend a decent amount of time in bacta. She is beaten by....again....a Padawan! (Or was Secura a Knight by that point?) She strikes me as the type that doesn't really give a damn if she lives or dies. Obviously she prefers to live but will probably throw herself at a bounty with a ferocity that puts people back on their heels. Not the best explanation but perhaps her insanity as well as her target rattled Jacen enough to make it close.

Carnage

Carnage

 

I think your hoping in vein.

That sounds painful.

 

How strong is Lumiya?

She survived the Marvel Comics only to appear in a Del Ray novel decades later. I'd say that's about a 9.4 on the Bunting-Friedmann Threat Index.

 

Ulicus- are you crazy? No, please not those boring character stories. You need some big action oriented stories every now and then. If not Star Wars will become super-boring. The problem that I see is that the authors have to come together and figure out what the heck is the force, the jedi and the sith. Define there powers and not either under achieve them or over achieve them. Keep them the same. Thats whats been the problem. The comic book or the animation can screw it up. Cause right now we have too many problems with this. Either the force is used as magic and it is super-powered or not powered enough and it is killig the way I read star wars stories now. Legacy, look at what we have. Bringing people back from the dead, but to fight you need a lightsaber? It's ridiculous. Also they got to write Luke better, or its going to be like my ffriend Luis says, Dude, just the flicks.! The rest is crap.

 

Jacen didn't really struggle to Down Sing. Ive re read the fight scense 4x and she only nailed Jacen with 3 good blows in the opening round after her thermal detonater trick. He still force slamed her into a wall and was about to end the fight with a force lighting blast but didnt want to expose his daughter to DS energy. he then spent the rest of the fight primarly trying to keep Sing away from Allana, And in the prosscess arm locked her and broke her leg at the knee, and Yanked her across the room.

He bascily while self hanicaping himslef,distracted and half blinded incapacitated the woman who killed four Old republican jedi.

Props off on luke for training the guy.

As for wounding Luke, Lumyia is weilding the light whip. we can count light whip users on one hand Lumyia and Githany. Even the Vong perferd to use the staff fuction of the aphistaff over the whip fuction.

Whips are highly offensive over almost no defense. And like all their Jointed weapon cousins must be kept in nearly constant motion to be effective. They are inherantly difficult weapons to fight aginst, Unless luke went for the sorcerious force spell battles any fight with lumyia with melee weapons will be a difficult one.

 

*Runs around in circles*
Not from the dead!

NOT! FROM! THE! DEAD!!!

GAAAAAHHH!!!!

From near-death. Again, not from the dead.

 

Carnage04:

"JAAAAACEN. THIS RED SHIRTED JEDI IS ATTACKING MEEEEEEE! I AM OLD AND PART CYBORG AND AM VERY WEAK! I DON'T WANT LUKE TO DIIIEEE EITHER! WAAAAAAA! I KNOW YOU'LL DO THE RIGHT THING!"

Okay, for some reason, this made me laugh bitterly. Even I could see that Lumiya was holding herself back.

 

keep telling yerself that....


Alema was fodder.

Lumiya herself has been dead at least twice before lotf even started.



Star Wars, as a fantasy series, has a history of character resurrections.

 

You know what would really be awesome...if they brought back Palpy and Yoda! With Both of them surviving and coming back in LOF series...you know somewhere along the line, somebody is going to try it!!!!

 

God I hope not.


Palpatine was already brought back in Dark Empire, he should just stay dead. Same with Yoda.