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CT How would George Lucas have done the Obi-wan/Anakin reunion if he made it AFTER the prequels

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  1. Merric

    Merric Jedi Master star 3

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    I've been marathon the star wars movies to get ready for Rise o SKywalker, and this thought popped into my head when going from 3 to 4. How would George Lucas have written the Obi-wan/Anakin reuinion differently if the originals came later? Because after watching the prequels, it's very evident that way more happened than "when I left you I was but a learner", and that George definitely didn't have their full backstory in mind.

    I think Vader would have entirely new dialogue as very little of what he says, in my opinion, makes any sense anymore. While Vader is a very different person from Anakin and is suppose to appear emotionless, he still does have them as evident from Vaders fight with Ahsoka. I think he would be waaay more angry upon running into Obi-wan again after so many years and would want nothing more than to have Obi-wan dead.

    I also don't think Obi-wan would have told Vader he was only a master of evil. With it being Obi-wan's failure that turned Anakin to the dark side, this to me sounds too much like a taunt. I have no doubt that Obi-wan would have bring up Ahsoka or Padme, even telling Anakin that Padme's dying words were that she knows there is still good in him.
     
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  2. ThisIsTheWay

    ThisIsTheWay Jedi Knight star 2

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    Some of the dialogue might be tweaked a bit and the actual fighting might be more aggressive but I don't think it would be that much different to be honest. By that point Obi-wan believed Anakin was to far gone to be saved so I don't think he'd make any attempt to bring him back via Padme or Ahsoka. If anything, I suspect that Ben's initial talk with Luke about his parent(s) would change the most.
     
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    SateleNovelist11 Force Ghost star 6

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  4. Seagoat

    Seagoat Former Manager star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Oh, damn, that fan.... edit? Fan movie? Sort of both?

    Well, that, anyway, was sort of what came to mind. Beaten to it by a few hours

    As a side thought, it's always kinda funny, when it comes to ANH especially, thinking of what by all means SHOULD be enormously important moments in the saga. But then they just kinda.... happen. But that's something I rather enjoy about it. For me at least, it's like it exists in two ways at once - as the original standalone idea GL had for a space fantasy movie back in '77, and just as well, if not a bit strange at times, as the beginning of the middle chapter the Skywalker Saga turned out to be
     
  5. TheCloneWarsForever

    TheCloneWarsForever Force Ghost star 7

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    I think there wouldn't have been an Obi-Wan/Vader encounter at all. The Mustafar duel wrung all the juice out already and cranked it up to 15. Any rematch would have been anticlimactic.

    The point was to get rid of Obi-Wan. Vader was one way to make that happen in 1977. It wasn't the only one.
     
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  6. Bob Effette

    Bob Effette Jedi Grand Master star 4

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  7. AEHoward33

    AEHoward33 Jedi Master star 4

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    Yes, I think he would.
     
  8. Panakas_Dawg

    Panakas_Dawg Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Obi-Wan wouldn't call him "Darth" like, "Hey bro."
     
  9. Dark Ferus

    Dark Ferus Chosen One star 8

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    I would think a longer, more climactic duel (nothing against the existing one).

    More dialogue about the past (Padme, the Jedi Order, etc)

    Maybe not the most plot driving, but probably necessary to give closure. Would have been hard to top the Mustafar duel in the limited terrain of the Death Star, but I think we would have seen it.
     
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  10. The_Phantom_Calamari

    The_Phantom_Calamari Force Ghost star 5

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    Attack of the Clones script draft:

    YODA: With the forename Darth, a Sith he must be.

    Dictionary:

    (fôrnām′)
    n.
    A name before one's surname; a first name.

    "Darth" is a first name that all Sith take, not a title, therefore it makes perfect sense for Obi-Wan to call him that. Otherwise Lucas would have just had Yoda call it a title, rather than going out of his way to use a synonym for first name.

    That's why subordinates always call him Lord Vader, and never Darth Vader. He is only referred to as Darth Vader in contexts where you would refer to someone by their full legal name.
     
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  11. Panakas_Dawg

    Panakas_Dawg Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Once again, humor is defeated by trainspotting a draft script.

    All good. Thanks for the info.
     
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  12. The_Phantom_Calamari

    The_Phantom_Calamari Force Ghost star 5

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    You're welcome, bro.
     
  13. AEHoward33

    AEHoward33 Jedi Master star 4

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    To be honest, I've never been a big fan of the "ANH" duel aboard the Death Star. The only thing remarkable about it to me were the weapons used. Perhaps the actual duel would have been better if the OT had been made after the PT.
     
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  14. Sarge

    Sarge 6x Wacky Wednesday winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    And the first man to become a Sith was named George, before he took the title Darth Foreman.
     
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  15. devilinthedetails

    devilinthedetails Fiendish Fanfic & SWTV Manager, Tech Admin star 6 Staff Member Administrator

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    Good question. I'm going to try to break the scene down line by line to see what works and what might work better if changed.

    Vader's heavy breathing-Effectively creates a sense of danger and tension, establishing the atmosphere for the scene perfectly. Definitely keep this in.

    Vader has his blade ignited before Obi-Wan and is approaching before Obi-Wan-Good detail I'd keep in. Really shows Vader as the aggressor and Obi-Wan as the Jedi who only fights in defense.

    "I've been waiting for you, Obi-Wan. We meet again at last."-I'd keep this in too. A line with understated menace that works all the more effectively when we consider how much Vader would've wanted revenge on Obi-Wan after what happened on Mustafar. Vader may have been waiting a long time for this rematch indeed.

    "The circle is now complete. When I left you, I was but a learner. Now I am the Master."-The gist of this line works for me. Makes sense for Vader to be obsessed with the Master title given that he was so furious about being denied the title of Master in ROTS, but the "learner" part of the line could maybe be changed to just simply, "Once I was your learner." So, something like: "The circle is now complete. Once I was your learner. Now I am the Master." Keeps the essence but maybe fits what we see in the PT slightly better.

    "Only a Master of evil, Darth."-I'd actually keep this line unchanged. It's Obi-Wan cutting to a core truth: that Vader is indeed only a Master of evil. Also, I like that Obi-Wan is addressing Vader as Darth. To me it really emphasizes how Obi-Wan doesn't see Vader as Anakin at all, but as a separate person, Darth Vader, which is why he uses the title Darth. For me at least, this line doesn't need to be changed.

    "Your powers are weak, old man."-Another line I wouldn't change. It reminds me of how Anakin screamed at Obi-Wan not to underestimate his powers during the fight on Mustafar.

    "You can't win, Darth. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."-I'd keep this line unchanged as well. Especially with the added context of the PT that Anakin doesn't know that Qui-Gon taught Obi-Wan how to vanish and become a Force Ghost, I think it rings very true that Obi-Wan will become more powerful than Vader could possibly imagine when Vader cuts him down. A profound line that I feel works all the stronger before of the PT.

    "You should not have come back."-This line I think could be changed. Seems a bit vague. Maybe something more specific like "You shouldn't have challenged me again" or "You shouldn't have crossed me again." I don't think it would need a big change, but maybe with minor tinkering it could have been improved.

    Obi-Wan closing his eyes, getting into connection with the Force, being at peace with himself and his sacrifice, and Vader striking him down.-I really wouldn't change any of that. That's powerful stuff.

    Vader stepping on Obi-Wan's empty robes.-I'd keep it. It can work as a gesture of contempt and disrespect for a hated foe, an expression of Vader's confusion about what has happened to Obi-Wan's body, and as Vader wanting to confirm that Obi-Wan is truly dead at last as he has been wanting to achieve this vengeance on Obi-Wan since Mustafar, a very long time to wait.

    Basically, I might make two minor changes to the dialogue, but I think everything else is really consistent with what we saw in the PT and may arguably have more resonance for me given the events we saw in the PT. Honestly this confrontation becomes all the more powerful for me when I remember their last meeting on Mustafar. It's one way the PT serves to amplify events in the OT for me and vice versa.
     
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  16. StartCenterEnd

    StartCenterEnd Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    What else would they reference? Obi Wan said it all in their ROTS duel. He thinks Anakin is gone and he’s all Vader now. Vader is aggressive but more cautious and older and less reckless now than he was, having learned from his mistake in ROTS.

    I didn’t see any humanity in Vader when Ashoka confronted him. In fact he seems totally evil until he realizes he can’t kill Luke when he rejects his offer in ESB.
     
  17. miasma

    miasma Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    "You can't win, Darth. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."
    Should become:
    "You can win, Darth. If you strike me down, I won't be able to get involved anymore. I'll just be able to provide expository dialogue, but I could do that even if you didn't strike me down, so that's really not an advantage for me at all."
     
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  18. Django Fett

    Django Fett Force Ghost star 5

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    Dialogue wise, I think the changes would be minimal, just acknowledging the duel on Mustafar more accurately. The main changes would be the sword play, it had evolved and that would've meant more use of CGI and stunt doubles for the aging Alec Guinness and the heavy handed Dave Prowse.
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    VADER:
    I've been waiting for you Obi-Wan...we meet again at last...when we last fought I was but the learner...now I am the master!!!

    KENOBI: Only a master of evil Darth, you chose to fight whilst your wife lay dying, killed by you or do you blame me for that too?

    VADER: Your powers are weak old man, you will pay this time!

    KENOBI: If you should strike me down I would become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.

    Vader's strength begins to show as Kenobi starts to tire.

    VADER: I'm glad you came back!

    Kenobi responds with renewed vigour.

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    Kenobi looks over his shoulder, he sees Luke, Han Chewbacca and a girl, 'yes that must be Anakin's daughter', he notices his escape route is blocked by a dozen stormtroopers. Vader noticing his distraction strikes at Kenobi but Kenobi parries the Sith Lord's blade so it strikes the wall with an explosion of sparks.

    Kenobi raises his sword, holding it in front of himself and far from defensive, he looks at his former student with a serene look.

    VADER: I've been waiting a long time for this moment!

    And with that Vader brings down his sword, cutting Kenobi in half, Ben's cloak drops to floor in two parts, but he's not in it.
     
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