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How would I do a "light shining through text" effect without Shine?

Discussion in 'Fan Films & Fan Audio' started by crazylegs1138, Jan 30, 2006.

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  1. crazylegs1138

    crazylegs1138 Jedi Youngling star 2

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    I'm trying to do the light shining through text effects that's seen everywhere in commercials and tv nowadays. I have After Effects 6.5 but I don't have Shine. I also have 3d Max 7 although I would really rather not do it in there unless I absolutely have to. I've tried on Google but every tutorials out there uses Shine. I think I remember someone on here explaining how to do it a while ago, but I can't find the thread. I would think that there would be a way with the 3D abilities of After Effects but I just can't figure out how to do it, I've been fooling around with it all day. Thanks in advance and I'm sure this will benefit other people on this board as well.
     
  2. rogue_09

    rogue_09 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Play with Radial Blurs.
     
  3. bgii_2000

    bgii_2000 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Duplicate your text layer. On the top layer, apply the "Radial blur" effect. Set it to zoom, and then set the blur pretty high. Animate the x parameter of the blur direction. Set the layer's blending mode to screen or add. The end. It'll take freakin' forever to render though. Should look a bit like this: [image=http://fotofects.com/v2/images/stories/photoshop/effects/zoom_blurred_text/4.jpg]
     
  4. Funk-E

    Funk-E Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Yep.

    But seriously, go get Shine.
     
  5. darthviper107

    darthviper107 Jedi Master star 4

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    You can do it with 3ds Max


    Basically, make a camera--make a white plane facing the camera (covering the view) then make a spotlight behind the camera in the same direction--pointing at the plane. Then you use an image of the words you want to use(where the words are white and everything else in the image is black) and then set that image as the projection map. Add Volumetrics (where beams of light are visible as if in smoke) and then set the Near Attenuation(the light fades as it gets closer to the light/camera) Then just render it out.
     
  6. Sith-Lord_James

    Sith-Lord_James Jedi Master star 3

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    You only say that because you do everything in Shine. Everything.



    [face_chicken]
     
  7. Shawn PTH

    Shawn PTH Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Do it the old fasioned way with radial blur like suggested before. Back in the day we had to draw every pixel of our volumetric lighting effects, both ways!
     
  8. rogue_09

    rogue_09 Jedi Padawan star 4

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  9. bgii_2000

    bgii_2000 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Radial blur works, but it's just slow.
     
  10. crazylegs1138

    crazylegs1138 Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Radial blur gives ok results. It's good for what I need it for, but isn't exactly what I was looking for. I was aiming for something along the lines of the text in the intro for "Firefly". It's a very fierce, almost fiery flow. The best I can get with the radial blur is a slight, barely noticeable effect. For those that haven't seen the show, here's a pic of what I mean:

    [image=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/21/Firefly_opening_screen.jpg]

    It's a poor quality pic I know, but it gets the point across. The radial blur method isn't nearly as vibrant as that one, and for some reason trying to increase the brightness or contrast has no effect on the text.
     
  11. gallion311

    gallion311 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Thats 100% Shine right there, any other method will take far longer and produce only mediocre results.

    If you can afford 3ds Max 7, just spend the $100 and get Shine.;)

    gallion311

     
  12. Funk-E

    Funk-E Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    That's even a Shine default setting right there.

    But if you duplicate and add your radial blurred layers, you can get some more vibrancy out of it at the cost of a huge render time hit.
     
  13. Mister-X

    Mister-X Jedi Master star 2

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    After Effects 6.5 comes bundled with Cycore FX. Between 'em, the Cycore effects can do just about everything useful that Trapcode Shine can do (and often a fair bit faster, too), plus a few things that it can't do. Try the CC Radial Fast Blur with Zoom set to Brightest.
     
  14. LordPAK

    LordPAK Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I read this and decided to try my own, made in after effects :)

    Here's my go, its got 2 add layers with colour balance changing from red to blue to red, and of course the light source moving. It's also the title (the name, not the actual clip) for my new fanfilm, due for completion this weekend :D

    Anyway here be linky: http://files.filefront.com/showdown_heavymov/;4705738;;/fileinfo.html

    Comments appreciated :)

    edit: and yes it took a while to render the 4 seconds of fx, about 2 minutes o_O
     
  15. bgii_2000

    bgii_2000 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    It's black & white. Shine will render that at least twice as fast and it doesn't look grainy. Also it won't produce the ghosting/halo artifacts you're getting. I agree with the person that said it: If you can afford 3DStudio, shine's a drop in the bucket.
     
  16. Funk-E

    Funk-E Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Shine generally renders in real time, too, and has many more uses than just the light-through-text thing.

    Man, I love that plugin.
     
  17. LordPAK

    LordPAK Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Ok here's a better one I did, I used hue/saturation for the colouring, its more 'solid'. It's also a semi-trailer for our new fanfilm :)

    http://files.filefront.com/showdown_realmov/;4705978;;/fileinfo.html

    Comments appreciated :D

    edit: 5th february is the planned release date, we are 90% sure we can make it, but no promises, so this clip may end up being wrong in the end [face_plain]
     
  18. CountDoosheee

    CountDoosheee Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Shine is great. I make no bones about it, it's a fantastic plugin and it's use is most certainly not limited to doing the same old text effect you see on Idol ads.

    Here's another one - before I could save up to get my copy of Shine, I used to key the ugly red watermark out of my shot, make it a little smaller so the gap wouldn't be noticable and BAM - it was like there was never a watermark. TOUCHDOWN.

    Boy I'm glad I don't have to do that anymore.
     
  19. Chris-F

    Chris-F Jedi Youngling star 2

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    If you have AE 6.5 then you have CC Radial Fast Blur which gives perty good results and is really fast.
     
  20. Brandeni

    Brandeni Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Yep CC radial blur is used in AfterEffects 7.0 for one of the presets, and it looks great.
     
  21. LordPAK

    LordPAK Jedi Youngling star 1

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    How would I use it in a.e. 6.5? I haven't seen any 'CC radial fast blur' at all....?
     
  22. Brandeni

    Brandeni Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Must have full version

    aka not trial, not pirated.
     
  23. bgii_2000

    bgii_2000 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I have AE6.5 Pro. Came with Keylight, and Color Finesse, and all that jazz. But no CC Fast Radial Blur. I've just got plain ole Blur->Radial Blur. By the way: For future reference, the effect we're talking about is called Volumetric Lighting Effects. I has to do with modeling/Simulating light that strikes small particles (such as dust or fog) causing them to "glow".

    "Radial blur" is a pretty piss poor way of doing this.

    **Waits for -spiff- to come correct this post.**
     
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