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I Hate Bothans

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Jedimarine, Apr 2, 2002.

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  1. Jedimarine

    Jedimarine Chosen One star 6

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    I am a reasonable man. I consider myself very open to culture and diversity, in reality and in Star Wars (I even believe Gungans are a helpful and productive part of the universe)...but I have to say, I've had it with Bothans.

    With a few exceptions, Bothans are paranoid, whiney, and cold hearted. The few exceptions(Asyr, Traest) are only that way because they worked with non-Bothans for much of their lives.

    Does anyone else feel this way? I mean is there any redeeming value to a Bothan anymore?
     
  2. dp4m

    dp4m Mr. Bandwagon star 10

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    Does anyone else feel this way? I mean is there any redeeming value to a Bothan anymore?

    Many Bothans died bring the plans for DSII?
     
  3. Bib Fortuna Twi'lek

    Bib Fortuna Twi'lek Jedi Youngling star 10

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    Borsk redeemed himself fairly well in SBS. I never thought it would be possible, but Denning pulled it off.
     
  4. Jedimarine

    Jedimarine Chosen One star 6

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    No he didn't...nothing could redeem that jerk
     
  5. Bib Fortuna Twi'lek

    Bib Fortuna Twi'lek Jedi Youngling star 10

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    Well, come on. The way he dealt with Nom Anor was terrific, and he had one of the best death scenes ever for a Star Wars character.
     
  6. Borsk_Fillet

    Borsk_Fillet Jedi Youngling

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    "nothing could redeem that jerk"

    I have to second that.
     
  7. Darth Tuna

    Darth Tuna Jedi Youngling star 2

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    As I recall, the "many Bothans died to get the plans" was debunked in another book. They were just incompetent, or something like that. Does anyone else remember?

    However, I do think the Bothans are a parody of certain folks right here on earth....
     
  8. Bib Fortuna Twi'lek

    Bib Fortuna Twi'lek Jedi Youngling star 10

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    It wasn't debunked; it was expanded upon. In Shadows of the Empire, half of the Bothan Y-wing squadron gets vaped when fighting the Suprosa, then more die when the bounty hunters attack them as they're decrypting the computer.
     
  9. J_K_DART

    J_K_DART Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Bearing in mind I've only had a limited exposure to Bothans (we've only met a handful), I can't say I particularly like them. If Bel Iblis' and Han Solo's cultural analyses in the original Zahn trilogy are right, then I dislike them a lot.
     
  10. AmazingB

    AmazingB Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I think it's pretty impressive that the authors have done such a great job with Bothans to the point that you hate them so much. Bothans rule.

    Amazing.
     
  11. Cigam Retah

    Cigam Retah Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    If Bel Iblis' and Han Solo's cultural analyses in the original Zahn trilogy are right, then I dislike them a lot.

    Yeah, because we all can accept the unbiased Corillian perspective on cultural diversity. Frankly, I think Bothans are great. They're the only members of the Republic who arn't afraid to get their hands dirty from time to time.

    Sometimes things arn't black and white, just a thousand shades of grey.
     
  12. Jedi_Trickster

    Jedi_Trickster Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Oh, I couldn't help myself. [face_devil]
    Bothans
    "Over the centuries the aliens became masters at gathering intelligence and exploiting it for political gain.
    This ruthless pursuit of power and influence, known as the 'Bothan Way', causes many non-Bothans to view the species as untrustworthy opportunists waiting to pounce on the slightest misstep." - Essential Guide to Planets and Moons
     
  13. Fluke_Groundwalker

    Fluke_Groundwalker Jedi Youngling star 5

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    Borsk Fey'lya is the best Bothan we've seen so far. A true politician. Denning was the only one who respected this character, it seems.
     
  14. Darth McClain

    Darth McClain Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Treast Kre'fey is the coolest Bothan we've met in the GFFA. Because of his grandfather's error, he was able to see the problems with the Bothan Way, as described in Onslaught.
     
  15. Gandalf the Grey

    Gandalf the Grey Jedi Knight star 6

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    I like Bothans. They?re underhanded, treacherous, backstabbing, disloyal, deceitful little furballs. What?s not to like? ?[face_plain]
     
  16. Darth_Duck

    Darth_Duck Chosen One star 5

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    I like Bothans

    I'm curious, why does everybody so down on Borsk, I mean, if you look at the whole NJO arc (sans Dark Tide, I don't like Stackpoles portrayl of Borsk) you can see how he was manipulating things to one day turn the tide in the war. In EoV you could see him playing the "game" politics, and in SoS he pretty much risked his poltical neck w/ the holo of teh military commanders in the senate, I was more affected by his death than Anakins, truth be told.

    Oh, and in pre-NJO books, Borsk was aiming for the top, something he eventually did acheive, so, having acheived *his* goal, he could work for the *galaxies* goal.

    But this is all one mans opinion.
     
  17. InyriForge

    InyriForge Jedi Master star 5

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    Why does everyone hate Borsk Fey'lya...

    For me, it started back in Heir To The Empire, and he just cemented that feeling during Dark Force Rising when he talks about how he used everyone and doesn't care if Luke and Han die. And he said it right to Leia! What a jerk!

    Now, I know I can't judge the entire Bothan race on the actions of one person. There are Bothans who aren't like Fey'lya. Asyr, for example, is actually pretty cool, although she never struck me as right for Gavin. I always got the impression she fought for what she believed in, and that made her a great character, IMO.

    ~Inyri
     
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