"I will take the plans with me to coruscant, they will be much safer there, with my master."

Is dooku an idiot? Why would he give poggle so much info on the secret sith conspiracy? Why not jsut take the plans and say "I will keep them safe"

Telling poggle where he is going only makes it easier for dooku to be caught, if poggle is captured and interiogated he could reveal dooku's location. And the seperatist are suppose to believe that dooku is against the sith, so who exactly do they think he is working for?

"My master will never allow the republic to get away with this treachery"

This also more or less gives away that dooku is sidious' new apprentice.

YJ edit: This went off topic, even after I reminded everyone to stay off topic.

 

If you notice, Dooku only mentions the term "Master" after Nute leaves. Considering Geonosis is not part of the Republic, I would assume they are like Kamino, in which they don't know much about how things work in the Republic. I doubt they know how the whole "Sith" thing works, which would make Dooku free to mention the term "Master" and have Poggle not realize who he is referring to exactly. For all Poggle knows, Dooku's "Master" is simply a mentor.

 

but poggle is a prominent member of the seperatist movement, either way its sloppy of dooku ( or the writers depending how you look at it)

Poggle doesn't seem phased that dooku has a master, so much so that he will let dookut ake the death star plans to him, what if it came up in conversation with nute? And it still makes it easier for the jedi to find dooku.

 

I doubt Dooku has been 100% honest with his Seperatist "allies"...he's there as the representative of Darth Sideous/Palpatine (who is playing the other side of the war)

While you would think the last place the leader of the Seperatists would go is to the capital of the Republic, Darth Sideous has existed right under the nose of the Jedi and Republic...so there is no fear of being caught; because Palpatine can cover his tracks.

 

Does it matter whether or not Poggle is a prominent member of the Separist Movement? That doesn't mean he knows how everything works when it comes to the sith. The sith have been extinct for a Millenium. Why should he know much about how the Sith work?

And it still makes it easier for the jedi to find dooku

What?

 

Poggle is probabley wondering why Dookus master is on Corsucant in the first place. I mean Corsucant is the republic captal afterall. If I was poggle I wouldn't trust Dooku anymore.

 

SP-TPM-ASF-TNE and I Jedi_Critty have the coolest icons ever.


Anyway, if I was poggle I would be like Just don't get caught over there Dukes

 

Is dooku an idiot?

YES.

Why would he give poggle so much info on the secret sith conspiracy? Why not jsut take the plans and say "I will keep them safe"

Who knows?

Telling poggle where he is going only makes it easier for dooku to be caught, if poggle is captured and interiogated he could reveal dooku's location. And the seperatist are suppose to believe that dooku is against the sith, so who exactly do they think he is working for?

I've no idea.

"My master will never allow the republic to get away with this treachery"

This also more or less gives away that dooku is sidious' new apprentice.

I know.

LOL, I find the story of AOTC so confusing. Its just too complex and convoluted; and yet at the same time all it results in is a film about, well, NOTHING.

 

AOTC is not about nothing... it's intellectually stimulating...

 

Its not though. Its one of the dumbest movies ever made.

 

yep
episode2:much ado about nothing

 

yodascumb im apalled

 

"it's intellectually stimulating

I can only guess that you are bing sarcastic. The only part of my mind that gets stimulated is wondering how nobody saw all the inherent flaws in the story. The story of a flighty romance about a senator and the boy obsessed with her since age 10, set against a mystery where after chasing the assassion for 75% of the movie, the hero fights a giant crab while another hero shows up out of left field to kill the assassion, which has since become irrelevant anyway, and then erupts into a collosal war which has little or nothing to do with the first 75% of the film.

All the while our heros fight an ambiguios old man, whom they jsut met, who defeats them easily,a nd yet another character shows up to do their dirty work for them, except he fails as well.

I wouldn't start polishing the scriptwriting oscar just yet.

 

heh heh heh heh, SW,an oscar, for writing/directing.

 

IMO, Poggle knows that Dooku is a Sith and has been promised a great reward for his aid (like, say, new Viceroy of the Trade Federation?) I think the Confederacy is more fractious than it seems...

Why would Poggle trust him, then? Because the Trade Federation failed his Master and are being punished for it, plus the rewards are too great to pass up. Basically, Poggle will receive what was promised to Nute since Nute failed at Naboo.

If only he knew the truth...

 

Be a smarty pants if you want, there are a lot of very intellectual themes in the movie that you may not be able to grasp... the concept of democracy vs. dictatorship... the corruption of a Republican system making it crumble and giving rise to a totalitarian regime... the notion of free will vs. blind obedience (i.e., clonetroopers).

There's a lot going on more than meets the eye...

 

Pay no attention to yodaschum. He just keeps popping up in threads so he can take swipes at the movie. Why he continues to do this again and again and again for a movie he doesn't like is only known to him. Perhaps the success of AOTC within the Star Wars community has created a lasting burning anger within him?

I don't think Dooku has given away any important info here. In fact, this dialogue seems to indicate that Poggle already knew some of the details (not the important ones, though).

 

"IMO, Poggle knows that Dooku is a Sith and has been promised a great reward for his aid (like, say, new Viceroy of the Trade Federation?) I think the Confederacy is more fractious than it seems..."

thats an excellent explanation, I only wish GL had thought of it and put it in the movie.

"the concept of democracy vs. dictatorship... the corruption of a Republican system making it crumble and giving rise to a totalitarian regime... the notion of free will vs. blind obedience (i.e., clonetroopers)."

yes but the movie doesn't really deal with these issues, it just kind of mentions them off hand. Its all very pseudo intellectual, thats not a knock against you P_T but he movies, GL acts like there's all this content, but its just a void parading itself as this indepth look at politics, when at the end of theday its just halfassed goodguys fighting halfassed badguys

 

Well, you can't put *everything* in the movie...

 

Why doesn't somebody pose a question regarding this to the Jedi Council?
Maybe they'll answer, or maybe it'll make them sweat because they realize there's a plot hole in the script.

 

"Well, you can't put *everything* in the movie"

No, but there should be *something*. AOTC isn't ABOUT anything. It has no main villan, and barely a main hero.


And go for it, ask the JC, I'd be curious as to their answer, though in the past I've enver had any of my dozens of questions addressed, so I'm probably not the best person to do it.

 

It has no main villan, and barely a main hero.

That just goes to show you how original GL is... instead of a by-the-numbers adventure with a conventional bad guy and a conventional "hero"... he gives us moral ambiguity... it is *so* cool...

 

The Seperatisits know Dooku is a Sith as well as his Master Sidious. What Dooku said to Obi-wan about Sidious betraying Nute is all a lie. It was just a ploy to get Obi-wan and the other jedi to turn against the Republic. In their eyes, Dooku is still one of them and has no connections to the Sith.

 

It's not a plot hole.

Having the members of the board of directors start to get murdered after the CEO was recently fired and no one figuring out who is responsible is a plot hole (Spiderman).

 

The only part of my mind that gets stimulated is wondering how nobody saw all the inherent flaws in the story.

That's because GL has too much lee-way now.

You might get fired for asking such questions

As to poggle...

Maybe they are showing him as dumb,

but I wonder how a man (insect?) in his position, leader of a technologically advanced nation, about to start a rebellion could be dumb.

If they knew douku was playing a double game Why are they putting their a$$'s on the ? wouldnt they bring the whole operation crashing down.

They must think they fight for a just honest cause.