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If a Force-sensitive were used for the cloning instead of Jango, could the clones use the Force?

Discussion in 'Star Wars Community' started by QueenArdnassak, May 1, 2010.

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  1. QueenArdnassak

    QueenArdnassak Jedi Knight star 4

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    Midi-Chlorians are in the blood stream, right? So if every clone is a perfect copy of the person, then if they had cloned a Force-sensitive would the clones be Force-sensitive?

    I started wondering about this because my brother asked me about it, and when I told him I didn't know, he got this whole "What kind of a freak fan are you?" attitude. He suggested that I ask my "Jedi Council Friends," and once I got over the indignation of having people who share my obsession with SW "Jedi Council Friends," I decided to post a thead about it, to see if anyone else knew more about it. :p

    So, if they cloned a Force-sensitive, would the clones be Force-sensitive?
     
  2. Slowburn

    Slowburn Jedi Youngling star 4

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    Interesting question. I can't say I've ever thought of that before. I would think so, given that they receive proper training to do so. Even if they hadn't received training, though, they would all be better warriors due to the accelerated concentration.
     
  3. Daft-Vader

    Daft-Vader Chosen One star 8

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    Well if you go by the EU all Force Sensitive's cloned are force sensitive.

    And Dorsk 81 was Force Sensitive, despite Dorsk's 1-80 weren't, which would seem that roughly 1 in 81 clones could become force sensitive, though that would mean that up to 37,500 members of the Clone Army could be Force Sensitive, so yeah not sure how that would work...
    But generally if you clone a Force user, they are force sensitive
     
  4. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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  5. Slowburn

    Slowburn Jedi Youngling star 4

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    Very interesting. Perhaps more insane, fearless clones is just what the Army of the Republic needed. ;)
     
  6. QueenArdnassak

    QueenArdnassak Jedi Knight star 4

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    Okay, so technically you could create a Force-sensitive clone, but odds are it would go mad.

    Awesome. :cool: Thanks for the help!
     
  7. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Anytime! I love these kinda questions. Note, though, that there are three different cloning methods.

    1. Kaminoan Cloning

    This takes absolutely years, but creates sane clones, Jedi or otherwise, as far as we're aware. This is subject to the latest Jedi/Sith clone, who may have been grown this way, and may be mad...

    2. Spaarti Cloning

    This takes a few months, but if the clones are grown any shorter it creates insane clones, Jedi or otherwise, as far as we're aware. Jedi clones seem likely to go mad via this method.

    3. Spaarti Cloning under Thrawn

    This takes two weeks (!), and creates sane clones. Imperial Grand Admiral Thrawn figured out is that the Force is what makes clones go insane. Because clones have the same resonance in the Force, it creates a pressure on the other clones and the original. While they're growing, the pressure is too great for the forming brain, which thus mis-forms and the clone is mad. If the clone is kept out of the Force until the brain is fully formed, then the brain is able to survive the pressure. Note, Thrawn grew 7 Jedi/Sith clones using this method, and they all went mad anyway... worse than mad, I'd say.
     
  8. Qui-Gon_Reborn

    Qui-Gon_Reborn Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Huh, this is interesting. What kind of cloning was Fyyar using?
     
  9. Darth Dreadwar

    Darth Dreadwar Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    It's odd how rarely cloning is used for Force-sensitives. I personally hope there's some other big problem about cloning Force-sensitives aside from potential madness (perhaps 99% of the time it is done, the midi-chlorians just die or never even grow in the first place, or the clones die due to the stress the Force's energy puts on them). Otherwise, one would expect a Sith Lord to have cloned the most powerful Jedi and Sith (with Star Wars technology and Sith magic, he'd no doubt be able to clone a mummified Sith such as Marka Ragnos), and produced an entire army to unleash upon his enemies. If he used some sort of genetic internal programming, or perhaps Force powers such as the Sith Battlelord ritual, he'd have an extremely dangerous army of the most powerful Force-sensitives to have ever existed, and I doubt anyone could withstand the combined strength of a clones Palpatine, Vader, Revan, Kun, Ragnos and others.

    And of course, in the event the madness is too much for even various Force powers and mental control, then the Sith Lord could just kick back and relax (or laugh maniacally) as several thousand mad Darth Revans wreck the galaxy and destroy the Jedi.
     
  10. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I don't think he used any, myself. The Empire Reborn spent a decade collecting Force users, many of which were incredibly weak, and Fyyar made them all stronger using the Valley of the Jedi, as I recall.

    I vaguely recall that the clones in Crosscurrent were combined with Palpatine's DNA... which messed them up big time.
     
  11. Qui-Gon_Reborn

    Qui-Gon_Reborn Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Wasn't somebody cloning something in one of the Jedi Knight games? I really need to play those again. :p
     
  12. Charn

    Charn Jedi Master star 8

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    the answer to this question in a real term of physics, yes.

    to answer in a rhetorical way: up to George Lucas.
     
  13. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    *thinks*

    In Jedi Knight, Katarn defeats seven individual Dark Jedi... in Jedi Outcast, he defeats a wave of weak apprentices made more powerful via being imbued with the Valley of the Jedi's power (using Artus crystals as the medium to imbue legions of Shadowtroopers and with Reborn who were innately powerful being boosted)... in Jedi Academy, the surviving Reborn reorganise, and, using the Scepter of Ragnos, siphon off Force energy from powerful sites and charge up non-Force users and Force users alike with the objective of using the Scepter to resurrect Marka Ragnos...

    *thinks*

    I don't recall clones, but a trickle suggests that Fyyar used clones for Shadowtroopers, but I can't find anything confirming as much...
     
  14. Qui-Gon_Reborn

    Qui-Gon_Reborn Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I was probably just thinking of the weak Force users who were imbued with Force power via the Scepter. Thank you, Sinre, you've just reminded me what a fantastically awesome plot the Jedi Knight games have. It's a shame that Kyle, Jan, Jaden, and Rosh haven't played a more influential role in the EU, although Jaden does seem to be getting some long overdue spotlight. And maybe we're better off without Rosh. :p
     
  15. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Bah. I wanted Kyle to die so much in Fury. :p
     
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