"If an item does not appear in our records, it does not exist....."

So Jocasta Nu claims that the Jedi Archives have information on every planetary system in the galaxy....but what about the Deep Core, or Unknown Regions? The EU shows that there's still massive chunks of unexplored space out there, so there's no way the Jedi Order could've known everything there was to know about the galaxy.

 

I think that the implication of Obi Wan Kenobi is that he's looking for something that should be known by the Jedi Order and Jocasta Nu understood that.

 

I get the impression that the Jedi knew a lot about the space outside the Republic, which they never told anyone else - just as their HoloNet communications were far more advanced than civillian models.

You could even argue that Palpatine's Unknown Regions and Deep Core expansion was based on information acquired from the Jedi at the end of the Clone Wars...

- The Imperial Ewok

 

She's a jobs-worth prone to self-importance.

 

Of course not. Jocasta Nu is basically saying that the sum total of the collective knowledge of galactic civilization at that time is located in the Jedi Archives. In other words, if there's no information in the Archives about a particular solar system, that means it's unexplored and no one has any information about it. If it's not in there, that means no one knows about it, not that it doesn't literally exist.

Or, at least, so says Jocasta Nu.

 

Remember; the Jedi also knew about hyperspace routes from the Deep Core, according to the RotS novelisation, that were stored in their archives and never revealed (till Dooku stole them, anyway). So the Jedi knew a lot more than they let on - although not about the Chiss, otherwise surely even an egotist like C'baoth would have prepped up on life-forms he might just encounter.

 

I never understood why Kenobi had trouble finding Kamino. If he knew the approximate place where she's missing on the map, and the star's gravity is still present . . . the world is still there, just deleted. Or is there more to it than my unscientific brain realises? i haven't read Alastair Reynolds yet.

 

There's what looks to be a Chiss on the Jedi Council in General Grievous, although I suppose he could have come from Thule. But Sev'rance Tann shows up in the Clone Wars, and Outbound Flight suggests that standard navacomps do contain coordinates for at least some systems in Chiss space... just no information that Chiss space is actually there!

Kenobi couldn't find the planet - I suspect he may have only known the general area; Yoda just did a smarter search, and found an anomaly...

- The Imperial Ewok

 

It looked pretty QED, though I hate using non-eng words in speech. A "noir" book? Is that supposed to sound exotic? Just say a dark book! Back to the point---the starmap shows it gone, but his research showed the cosmic body's effect unchanged.

I was thinking, well der, it's still there.

 

I've always thought Jocasta Nu was at least slightly complicit in the destruction of the records. No real librarian, much less one that senior, would act like that.

 

Her haughty manner reminds me exactly of Miss MacMillon, that first-grade substitute teacher we had for a day. Preening down the aisles, reprimanding a few is more than two, in statistical terms. Perhaps even three.

 

Maybe she was supposed to partially respresent the dogma of the Jedi?

 

Heh, I wonder what Jocasta said after Kamino became famous:

"Erm, I sort of thought it existed, yup, um...." (sneaks out)

 

ANOIR book is so much more than dark. It's...noir!

 

That's sort of what I thought as well. I took it as a representation of how truly arrogant the Jedi Order had become in its waning days.

 

But that planet absolutely did not exist.

And only Sith deal in absolutes.

How come no one realized it? Jocasta was the true Sith Lord. We're just lucky that her apprentice Darth Sidious Order 66-ed her to claim the mantle of Sith Lord for himself. Imagine the horrors she could have unleashed on the Galaxy. If she'd had a Death Star, she would have made absolutely certain that those planets didn't exist. How evil.

 

LOL!

 

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I never understood why Kenobi had trouble finding Kamino. If he knew the approximate place where she's missing on the map, and the star's gravity is still present . . . the world is still there, just deleted. Or is there more to it than my unscientific brain realises? i haven't read Alastair Reynolds yet.
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Now that I think about, i think kenobi was just doing that to tell Yoda about what was going on.

Hey, who did delete those archeives? the only explannation I heard was that Tag and Binks did it, but they aren't canon.

"If she'd had a Death Star, she would have made absolutely certain that those planets didn't exist."

ROFL!!!!!!!!!

 

Yep. I was thinking the same. But then again, doesn't he talk to Yoda and have that pointed out to him after he runs his little Google search and gets shut down by Jocasta?

Here's the thing: the reason it took a kid to point out the obvious conclusion that Kamino was deleted from the records is because, well, the kid doesn't know any better. Yet. To the other Jedi, the truth of the situation was completely inconceivable, and understandably so. The archives have access to, basically, the sum total of galactic knowledge. The archives have information on everything and anything, so Jocasta Nu's statement makes sense for a curmudgeonly old librarian, because if it doesn't appear in the archives, the chances are immensely, immensely small that Obi-Wan's not on a wild-goose chase. When Obi-Wan looks at the map, he's seeing the anomaly, but the Jedi are so used to the complete nature of their records, and so unused to subterfuge within their own ranks, that he just doesn't get it.

How Obi-Wan got such precise coordinates in the end is beyond me. I also never got how Yoda and Obi-Wan could continue to refer to a planet when it's clear what they're actually seeing is a system. Meh.

 

The Novel, I believe, mentioned something about the Archives, and something about 80% of the Planets listed?

I forgot.

 

IIRC, Dooku deleted all references to Kamino after murdering Sifo-Dyas in secret and after going ahead with Sifo-Dyas' order of the clone army, as the last thing he ever did in the Jedi Temple.

 

Moreover, you don't rely on one doctor opinion. Why not look at other non-Jedi databases? Tyranus did erase every single planetary registry.

Nor does it appear the Giraffes were so provisional they made no visits or holocomms to anyone.

That fat frog knew enough about them. from the back alleys of the starlanes, no less.

 

Again, the Jedi archives were supposed to hold the sum total of known knowables. It probably references other databases constantly. My thinking is the Jedi archive is the best, most intact archive around, the one other archives tie into, tap into, hold up on high, pedestal style. No one seems to really know about Kamino. It's shady. It's remote. It's not really very relevant. Dex's knowledge of it is incidental.

I dunno. Any of those explanations work?

 

Mmmm, not really, but it's the effort that counts, which is Unicrons more than Rebirth.