If Anakin would have been granted master would he have gone to the dark side?

Hey just wondering what people say to this personally i think he stil would of but lets see what u have to say

 

Hard to say, because palpatine would have changed his plan.
Appointing Anakin to be his rep was only done because he knew Anakin would be rejected IMO.

 

see but what if the jedi coulcil were to grant him mastery then what do u think sideous would have done???

 

Maybe he would switch "Don't you wonder why they won't make you a Master" to "Don't you wonder why they made Master so quickly. What do they want from you?"

But apart from Anakin being less jealous of the Jedi, I can't see him being a Master causing much of a problem for Sidious' plan.

 

ya your probably right

 

He didn't turn because he was denied a rank. He turned because Palpatine told him that it was possible to save Padme. That's all it took. It was never about revenge on Anakin's part. It was greed. His desire to keep his attachments.

 

i disagree i think most of it was because of padme but palpatine turned him against the jedi as well by making them make the choice to not grant him master...so it made him angry at the council...just think if he liked the council like he liked obi do you think he would have turned over so easily? or kill mace so easily?

 

Anakin could have been anything he wanted to be but his ego got the best of him.

 

Absolutely not. He turned on the jedi because they stood in the way of his greatness. Not granting him mastery, it made him acknowledge the fact that the jedi didnt appreciate his power. Too bad for the jedi.

 

Sids would've adapted to circumstances - the Jedi were SOL whichever option they choose regarding making Anakin a Master. They lost just by playing into Sidious's manipulations.

Anakin's problems were too severe to be "solved" by getting a title; he'd been drifing to the DS for years.
He'd find something else to want that he couldn't have, and Sids would play on that. And if he made Mastery(mastership?), there was still his fears about Padme for Sids to manipulate.

 

The situation involving a Jedi Master Anakin Skywalker could have been different.

Had the Council granted Anakin the rank of Master, he could have extensively researched the Archives to find the knowledge of the force that he absolutely (and correctly) knew was there to be understood.

Had the Council trusted him, things could have been much, much different.

Of course for that to happen the Council, from their introduction to Anakin's presence, would have been required to treat and instruct Anakin differently, with trust not indignation.

Had that been the case, instead of a pursuit of power, Anakin would have instead thirsted for knowledge. And as a Jedi Master, knowledge he would have been granted.

But from day one on, the Jedi Council did the unconscious bidding of Darth Sidious through their own overconfident and blind way. For it was the Council's own actions that steered not only Anakin's overconfidence and singular views, but also those same weaknesses that prevailed upon the entire Jedi Order itself.

 

The Jedi appreciated his power but, unlike Anakin they understood just how dangerous it is to have power without Wisdom, selflessness, and humility, things that Anakin never possessed until RotJ.

 

If Anakin became a Jedi master, he would have believed that the Jedi respected his ability. Nevertheless, being a Jedi Council member means being able to deal with over people's conflicting views, to compromise, to take orders. He's not very good at that. Furthermore, his ego would have increased after having become master, especially being the youngest to do so, in addition to being on the Council and Palps' right-hand man. In the long run, because is greedy, he would have been only temporarily satisfied. He would still not have access to what he wants: a way to stop Padme from dying. Though being Jedi master may gain him access to secrets of the Force hitherto denied him, he still would not know how to prevent Padme from dying, since if Qui-Gon's knowledge was so easily available then every Jedi master would not only know it, but would also teach it since selfless compassion's leading to eternal life certainly is an excellent way to encourage your padawan from being egocentric and full of attachments. So, if Anakin even as a master is not satisfied with his knowledge and power, if he has not found a solution to his problem, if his ego is galaxy-sized, then Sidious the Sly and Adaptable would still be there to make Anakin an offer he couldn't refuse.

 

In what sense?
If the turn was about him not being powerful enough, can ego really be seen as the cause?

 

Ego, Palpatine's manipulations, frustration with the Jedi Council, all of these things didn't do his attitude any good. They were the sauce that was cooking the goose. Saving Padme was just the nail in the coffin.

I would wonder, if saving Padme had been his ONLY problem, would he have turned?

 

I'm sort of on board with Cleric here, if Anakin became a Master in ROTS it would have still been too little, too late. Anakin had been on the dark side path from day one, and for his future to change it really needed to start at the beginning. He needed more specific training and mostly importantly, trust. Perhaps in that event he could have avoided his tragic hero fate. But as it is, in ROTS, he still would have been trying to save Padme from death, and even with his rank of Master he wouldn't be able to figure out how to do it, so he'd fall back onto Sidious' machinations. Even despite the new confidence and respect shown to him by the other Masters, by the act of granting him the higher rank.

 

I agree that Anakin would have gone dark anyway. The title meant nothing. That was just about his ego. He preusmably turned to the Sith to save padme.

As far as searching the archives that's not very persuasive. He could have just as easily just asked Obi Wan or any other Master exactly about the "creating life" trick. It's just stupid that he doesn't (and I am watching the film right now). how could he not speak to Obi Wan about his dream about Padme? Or about Palp's story of Plagueis?? It just makes little sense.

Oh and also, Anakin is NOT a tragic hero. not in the literary sense anyway.

 

He is actually the very DEFINITION of a tragic hero, in the literary sense.

Anakin as a the Tragic Hero

 

I'm very familiar with the thread. Anakin was not a great hero.

if you really study Aristotle's definition you would know Anakin falls short on point 1. He is of no exceptional noble or great stature. he is a Jedi Knight who has accomplished nothing great. Additionally, Anakin has no consistencty as a good, noble being. He is an obnoxious punk all throughout AOTC and constantly makes wrong decisions. So again, here he fails. Just compare him to Oeidipus. Oiedipus was self-interested but he was good, sought the truth and was a problem solver through the play. In fact, Oeidipus wants to be a savior to his people. Anakin is a complete jerk and sociopath in AOTC.

And the change to evil is not supposed to be sudden. I just finished watching ROTS and it takes all of what, 3 minutes for Anakin to go from spouting on about justice and proper arrests and trials to pleding his legiance to the Sith and killing the Younglings.

I understand why people hear "tragic" and "hero" and think of Anakin. but if we are going by Aristotle's own definitions, he falls way short.

 

I figure it would have only helped to fuel his arrogance and selfishness.

 

A tragic hero is not a great hero. I very much disagree with your points, it has nothing to do with what you personally think of his character, your personal likes and dislikes. The fact is, he fits it perfectly as a member of a great and noble Order, which makes him a person of great stature. He is also "The Hero With No Fear" in the CW. And his change is far less sudden than many of Shakespeare's tragic heroes.

Anyway, this is totally off topic now so if you wish to continue this, take it to the other thread.

 

"A tragic hero is not a great hero"

LOL. Oh really? Might I recommend you actually read what Aristotle wrote on being a tragic hero??? I was just quoting him.

Anyways, my point is that I understand why people call Anakin a tragic hero. It makes sense to me. but going by the definitions provided by Aristotle, the earliest recorded authority on the topic, he's not.

And yes this is a digression. So I'll leave my response at that.

 

Can we stop the baiting please? kthx

 

In the ROTS novelisation, it states that the main reason why Anakin wanted the rank of master was so that he could research the Jedi Archives to find out more information on Darth Plagueis and using the Dark Side to prolong life. Whether it was there or not, he thought it was there. Had he been a master, I don't think he would have been so quick to turn as he ONLY turns so that his only source for this information isn't killed. If Mace and Yoda hadn't been so dense (especially Yoda, with his stupid lecture on letting go), then THEY wouldn't have lost everything they cared about.

 

In the end, it's just that he wanted to save Padme. And to do that, he needed the dark side. Going through the Archives would not have helped him as there was nothing there, since Plaugeis existed long after the last entry on the Sith. Palpatine knew this, so he knew that he was safe if the Council did a 180 with their policy and let him become a Master which would allow him access. He would've just said that it was kept out of the Archives, in case any overzealous Jedi Master decided he/she wanted to study something that was forbidden.