If another Jedi was sent to Kashyyyk and Yoda went with Mace to arrest Sids...

I dont understand this logic, Why didnt mace inform yoda and the other jedi about the chancellor being a sith lord. I mean he is the one that authorized the army and all this crap, why wouldnt he warn the jedi to return and abandon the army, Mace showed lack of wisdom there i feel, but im just wondering if sids would have **** himself if yoda, mace, and obi wan, would have walked in to arrest him, probably not obi wan since he watched his apprenctice mop the floor with him, but im just looking for some interesting thoughts on this.

*another opinion kinda off topic, did anyone else think that stupid cheer the chancellor did when obi wan cut up the droids on the ship was pointless, i dont understand that*

 

thsi will probly be locked as i am writting this

 

mace just is that way to argent "not as wise as some peolpe think''
that was his down fall..

 

Nope. Mace and Yoda would kill Palpatine, then there would be no empire, and no darth vader to scour the galaxy for jedi.

 

and the rest would not have happen...the jedi failed...mace in the big way...I am so mad know at mace....what a fool he was...he failed.I wonder if the other jedi that went with him should have said something?

 

i applauded mace.

he was about to end it all there, and then selfish anakin messed everything up.


but ya, palpatine would have been dead.

 

starwarsagent posted:
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Question. How could the jedi prove that palpatine is a sith if he was to get arrested. where's the proof?


SWA.
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They wouldnt really need "proof"....they would know he's a sith. And the movies are not really about the Republic, they're about Anakin and his decision, so the only people that would really NEED to know would be the jedi because that would force Anakin to make a decision (which is exactly what Sidious wants anyway)...side with Sidious and the secret to save Padme OR stay true to the jedi order.

But if Yoda and Mace were together, I think Sidious would have the sense enough to go in quietly, because fighting Mace is not really necessary to force Anakin to make a decision, and fighting Mace AND Yoda simultaneously definately wouldnt be necessary and it would also be extremely stupid.

He backed Anakin into that corner the minute he told him he was a sith with the power to save Padme during their conversation in the hallway.

 

Obi-Wan watched his apprentice wipe the floor with him? What movie were you watching? Obi-Wan destroyed anakin, and did not kill him only because anakin was so very pitiful and sad...it would be akin to killing a cockroach after clipping off its wings, legs and antlers.

IMO Yoda was, yet AGAIN, wrong when he said Obi-Wan was not strong enough to face the emperor. Talk about pride; look who endded up being successful (i.e. Obi-Wan) while Yoda had to crawl away on his hands and knees via a vent shaft. I wonder how many sith apprentices Yoda faced and survived while he was still a PADAWAN...

 

Sure, props to Obi-Wan, but he got lucky enough to take advantage of that particular Sith while he was crowing over his assumed victory. As for Yoda, there is a rumour that Lucas may draft a prequel-prequel trilogy chronicling the Jedi wresting control of the Galaxy 800 years ago - which Yoda was a part of. So the answer to the Yoda facing Sith question? Possibly quite a few!

People hate dragging 'the Prophecy' into it but it's definitely canon. So even if Yoda and Mace hung Sidious out the window, pulled down his pants and spanked him, he would have to have survived. The Prophecy says the Chosen One will destroy the Sith and return balance. So while Sidious is the only current Sith at that point, he need only fear Anakin - and so would have escaped somehow. People hate that point but it's canon.

 

I wonder if thats what MAce was thinking on his way down to the lower levels of Coruscant.

If Yoda went the situation could have been far less devastating.

Yoda knew that Anakin had visions of death. Yoda would have caught onto Sidious plotttig. Yoda would have kept Mace on a leash!

But then, I guess this is why Sidious ensured Yoda was off world...

 

taking in your considerations with yoda coming along with mace, I think that everything would've ending quicker and less devastating as some one else called it. Yoda would've made a better plan than Mace's.

But now I'm wondering why didn't Mace report back to yoda after hearing that Palpy was a Sith. Would'nt that have been a smart thing to do?

 

Let me counts the ways this question has been asked....

 

In an earlier draft, I believe he did. It's in the novelization for sure.

 

I thought, as explained in the novel, that Yoda's departure to Kashyyyk was intended as bait to draw The Chancellor, or the Sith Lord he might be working with out. They believed that by sending Yoda, the most powerful Jedi Master away, the Sith might be more likely to act.

 

You are correct.. Pages 196-199

The council meets to discuss the move by palpatine to put the control the jedi under him and the appointment of anakin.
During the conversation, the coucil members try to get acceptance by Obi wan to implement the plan to allow Anakin's appointment so he could spy on palpatine... Obi wan thinks its a bad idea but agrees with the council decision... They believe Obi wan should be the one to ask anakin...

The council also suggest that Yoda and mace go out into the field in an attempt to draw out Sidious.. Yoda says it would be best and less suspicious if one of them left.... Yoda agrees to go to Kashyyk..

The plan was already discussed...

 

"I thought, as explained in the novel, that Yoda's departure to Kashyyyk was intended as bait to draw The Chancellor, or the Sith Lord he might be working with out. They believed that by sending Yoda, the most powerful Jedi Master away, the Sith might be more likely to act."

Exactly

Good Stuff

 

It wouldnt matter if a million Jedi turned up, Sidious would still have won. The dark side was just too powerful. Only if Anakin brought balance could Yoda and mace get the real chance to kill Sidious.

 

With Yoda and Mace both going to arrest the Chancellor, those two alone would have given Palpatine a run for his money. They may not be able to kill him, as only Anakin could do that apparently, but they wouldn't have gone down.

Even if Anakin showed up and turned Sith, with Yoda there as backup, I wouldn't be surprised if Mace survived, even if he got hurt bad. With Yoda there as well, I would also have to guess that at least one of the other three Jedi that Mace took along might be able to survive, if not because of his own skills then due to Palpatine being more focused on Mace and Yoda.

When Anakin told Mace that Palpatine appeared to be the Sith Lord, Mace left him behind. Might Yoda have decided to bring Anakin along to join the party, or at least give him a better reason to stay behind or something?

 

Yet again, people who seem to dislike Mace Windu don't give him any credit.
Mace was really the only one who smelled out Palpatine's plot.
MasterWindufan, you say that Yoda would have made a better plan than Mace's. Really? Remember, Yoda went up against Palpatine ALONE, even after nearly all the Jedi had been slaughtered. Knowing that Palpatine for sure was a Sith Lord.
Mace went up against Palpatine with three of the top Jedi. That scene wasn't directed all too well, but basically, the three Jedi with Mace got killed so quickly because Palpatine was a skilled Sith Lord and he also surprised them.
And, as others have said, if Mace went with Yoda, and, say, Obi-Wan, Palpatine would have been done in. And then there'd be no OT, or some SERIOUS plot holes.

 

I'm pretty sure Palpatine would NOT have revealed himself if Yoda was on planet. The Jedi council was right in assuming that if Yoda left, Darth Sidious would reveal himself. However, they didn't understand HOW powerful the Sith Lord was. When Yoda went off planet he left behind Mace, Kit, Sesee, Shaak TI, and the other guy that went to arrest Palps. Also, in the book, the believed they were leaving "A batallion's worth of firepower" on Coruscant in Anakin Skywalker. They were right about that too.

Carnage

 

Hmm..And I thought Mace Windu did really good on his own. He didn't need Yoda. Too bad Anakin was such a headcase. Oh well.. Besides Im pretty sure that if the Emperor knew that both Windu and Yoda were coming, he would have had a couple of hundred clones there to wait them (Or something to that extent).


EDIT: Doh, Doh and Doh. I missread the topic :S

 

I agree. Mace and Yoda together would kick Palpatine's ass with ease.

 

Agreed, Mace and Yoda would own Sidious, but Anakin would still have some part in it.

 

a few things...first off, MS, you are sadly mistaken if you think that sidious would have handled windu AND yoda. he didnt even handle windu alone. watch the movie again!!!
secondly, sidious didnt have much choice. he HAD to reveal himself. had to have things turn on his terms. at least by dragging anakin's decision making into the picture, there was a chance of his survival if only for the reason that anakin could intervene and keep him alive. thirdly, there's no way on earth that wise master yoda, KNOWING full well about the dreams and anakin's internal confilct would have taken anakin along. LAST, but not least, you all with this "prophecy" talk have gotten it twisted. the prophecy, IF IT EVEN EXISTS, only states that the "chosen one" would bring balance to the force. whatever that means. if you guys are gonna base sids' survival on that alone, that is about as closed-minded as one's view can get on the subject, and therefore, there's no need to even bring up topics about this saga any more BECAUSE no matter what happened, the end of the story has been written and cannot be changed, no matter if a star destroyer was pointed as sidious and he was tied to a giant boulder on dinobot island and a horde of zerglings were waiting for him, just in case he escaped that AND THEN if THAT failed, then the entire justice league was there to off him.....he'd STILL survive. let's be real folks, the prophecy doesnt insure sids survival at under any and all circumstances save for anakin's hand. that's just crazy!!!

 

Sidious might be able to defeat Yoda and Mace if he hit them with lightning simultaneously; one hand for each Jedi.