PT If count dooku died at the geonosis arena would the clone wars still continue?

What if coleman trebor didnt fail and killed count dooku in the geonosis arena? Would
the clone wars still continue or ended?


Because in revenge of the sith when anakin defeated count dooku then killed him the clone wars still continued.


What do you guys think?

 

I could see the other separatist leaders being demoralised by Dooku's death. Probably the reason they weren't in ROTS, was that Grievous was there to keep them in line.

 

General Grievious would still be around.

But, he might accelerate the process of turning Anakin to the dark side.

 

We don't know Grievious's new canon history, but I'd agree that Palpatine would accelerate Anakin's turn by murdering Padme at their wedding James Bond style

 

Yes, it wound end there
I don't think that Coleman Trebor guy but Anakin/Obiwan or Yoda

It is a huge plot hole in ep3 the the droids don't deactivate when Dooku is killed, or when Grievous is killed

 

Killing Dooku and Grievous doesn't automatically stop the droid army, that's why there is a shut down code that needed to be used.

 

Why is that a plothole? The droids are shut down on direct order from Palpatine through Vader, after he kills the Seperatist leaders. When there is no more resistance (because the Sith betray the Seperatists) Vader has authority to do this as is my understanding. Even if he doesn't, who is gonna question it?

Secondly (maybe trivially) the TF droids shut down on destruction of the control-ship in TPM, but in a deleted AOTC scene when the control-ship is destroyed again the droids reactivate independently from it because of an upgrade. Just saying, this gives it more impact when Vader orders the droids permanently shut-down both by transmitted message, and the intimidation factor.

As for the OP's question, Sidious would surely be set back if Dooku died on Geonosis, but I think he would find an alternate way to take over anyway. I do wonder if he would be as successful at turning Anakin, if it was that much earlier. The suggestion that he would kill Padme... I don't think that would be nearly as effective as how things played out in ROTS, Anakin would probably just kill Palpatine, or die trying.

 

Sidious has other dark disciples...he'd just use them. Dooku is just a placeholder. A placeholder is meant to be replaced. Plus, his death would make a legitimate rallying car for Separatist worlds and he would be a martyr for his cause.

 

As long as Palps was in charge and playing both sides, war was inevitable.

 

I think Grievous' new canon history is that he wanted to be a Jedi but he wasn't force sensitive so he willingly underwent all these cybernetic enhancements to become a better warrior similar to a Jedi. it's mentioned in The Clone Wars episode "Grievous' Lair" which is Canon

 

Obi-Wan said that if they caught Dooku they could end the war then and there. Whether or not he was correct is debatable. Either way, I would think that it would certainly be a huge setback for all parties involved. Palpatine would still likely find a way to continue the war through other means, though it might take more time.

 

All that's actually said is

"Sometimes I wonder why you submitted to the changes"
"Improvements! I chose this"

which could be reconciled with the old Grievous history by saying that Grievous's memory had been messed with.

 

There was no one else. There was just Dooku. Ventress wasn't recruited until later and only because Dooku knew of her. Grievous could lead the army, but there needed someone to be the face of the Confederacy. Someone to rally all the hate on the side of the Republic.

 

I would think that Sidious would still have some dark disciples though.

 

In the EU, Sly Moore is Force-sensitive, and has been his disciple for a long time (since before he became Chancellor).

Her disappearing right after Geonosis and then turning up as leader of the Separatists (in the event of Dooku's death) might have raised a lot of suspicions though.

 

Too many of them would lead to problems. That's why TCW left out everyone except for Ventress.

 

No one could have done what Dooku did. He was not only a skilled duelist and force-sensitive, but he was also a natural leader, a great diplomat and a very wealthy being. It is obvious, without even the EU, that Palpatie's plan would have never worked without Dooku. That controlling the whole war was beyond even Palpatine to do alone. He needed a true accomplice, a skilled planer with the same attributes than him to place in the other side to regulate the conflict. And no one, except Dooku could have done it (not Maul, not Grievous, not Ventress, not Anaakin/Vader...). This role have been made specially for Dooku because Palpatine, just like for Anakin, had his eyes set on him a long time before the Clone Wars. And in the EU, in the novel Shatterpoint, Mace Windu says :
"In the swirl of the Force around me, I could feel the connections Dooku had forged among Jango and the Trade Federation, the Geonosians, the whole Separatist movement: connections of greed and fear, of deception and bald intimidation. I did not know what they were—I did not know how Dooku had forged them, or why—but I felt their power: the power of what I now know is a web of treason he had woven to catch the galaxy.
I could feel that without him to maintain its weave, to repair its flaws and double its thinning strands, the web would rot, would shrivel and decay until a mere breath would shred it and scatter its strings into the infinite stellar winds.
Dooku was the shatterpoint.
I knew it.
That is my gift.
Imagine a Corusca gem: a mineral whose interlocking crystalline structure makes it harder than durasteel. You can strike one with a five-kilo hammer and do no more than dent the hammer’s face. Yet the same cystalline structure that gives the Corusca strength also gives it shatterpoints: spots where a precise application of carefully measured force—no more than a gentle tap—will break it into pieces. But to find these shatterpoints, to use them to shape the Corusca gem into beauty and utility, requires years of study, an intimate understanding of crystal structure, and rigorous practice to train the hand in the perfect combination of strength and precision to produce the desired cut.
Unless you have a talent like mine.
I can see shatterpoints.
The sense is not sight, but see is the closest word Basic has for it: it is a perception, a feel of how what I look upon fits into the Force, and how the Force binds it to itself and to everything else. I was six or seven standard years old—well into my training in the Jedi Temple—before I realized that other students, full-grown Jedi Knights, even wise Masters, could sense such connections only with difficulty, and only with concentration and practice. The Force shows me strengths and weaknesses, hidden flaws and unexpected uses. It shows me vectors of stress that squeeze or stretch, torque or shear; it shows me how patterns of these vectors intersect to form the matrix of reality.
Put simply: when I look at you through the Force, I can see where you break.
I looked at Jango Fett on the sand in the Geonosian arena. A perfect combination of weapons, skills, and the will to use them: an interlocking crystal of killer. The Force hinted a shatterpoint, and I left a headless corpse on the sand. The deadliest man in the galaxy.
Now: just dead.
Situations have shatterpoints, like gems. But those of situations are fluid, ephemeral, appearing for a bare instant, vanishing again to leave no trace of their existence. They are always a function of timing.
There is no such thing as a second chance.
If—when—I next encounter Dooku, he will be the war’s shatterpoint no longer. I can’t stop this war with a single death.
But on that day in the Geonosian arena, I could have.
Some days after the battle, Master Yoda had found me in a meditation chamber at the Temple. “Your friend he was,” the ancient Master had said, even as he limped through the door. It is a peculiar gift of Yoda’s that he always seems to know what I’m thinking. “Respect you owed him. Even affection. Cut him down you could not—not for merely a feeling.”
But I could have.
I should have.
Our Order prohibits personal attachments for precisely this reason. Had I not honored him so—even loved him—the galaxy might be at peace right now. Merely a feeling, Yoda said.
I am a Jedi.
I have been trained since birth to trust my feelings.
But which feelings should I trust?
When I faced the choice to kill a former Jedi Master, or to save Kenobi and young Skywalker and the Senator…I let the Force choose for me. I followed my instincts.
I made the Jedi choice.
And so: Dooku escaped. And so: the galaxy is at war. And so: many of my friends have been slaughtered.
There is no such thing as a second chance.
Strange: Jedi I am, yet I drown in regret for having spared a life.
Many survivors of Geonosis suffer from nightmares. I have heard tale after tale from the Jedi healers who have counseled them. Nightmares are inevitable; there has not been such a slaughter of Jedi since the Sith War, four thousand years ago. None of them could have imagined how it would feel to stand in that arena, surrounded by the corpses of their friends, in the blazing orange noon and the stench and the blood-soaked sand. I may be the only veteran of Geonosis who doesn’t have nightmares of that place.
Because in my dreams, I always do it right.
My nightmare is what I find when I wake up.
Jedi have shatterpoints, too."
Thank you for reading me.

 

I think it would have been a huge problem for Palpatine, since he would have had to have looked for another apprentice to take over. It could have even been the end of the war for the moment because without Grievous firmly established, the leadership of the CIS would have fallen in the hands of Gunray and the others, and that might have led for the war to have ended much sooner, possibly even the discovery of who Palpatine really is.

 

Maybe it would changed things but as others have said General Grievous was around.


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but Grievous wasn't a political leader. and i'm not sure when he came into the picture. Dooku brought the groups together that formed the Confederacy. If he died that early on i'm not sure what would have happened.

 

Oh right I see what you mean he was going a lot of the political stuff during that time, well in that case the. Maybe it would have but couldn't palpatine have done it or wouldn't he be able to with already having to deal with his chancellor duties.


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I think it would have crippled CIS greatly, but I'm guessing Sidious would have found a replacement. Grevious of course, and there were many dark acolytes at that time, Ventress for example.

Or Palpatine may have sped things up and turned Anakin sooner, but I don't know. I'm not sure if Anakin would have been ready.