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If Darth Krayt Is Redeemed Will He Face War Crimes.

Discussion in 'Literature' started by snelson, May 27, 2008.

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  1. snelson

    snelson Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    i have a feeling the next time cade meets darth krayt he will end up redeeming him if that happens if he lives will he face charges for ordering the massacre on ossus and nearly brining the mon calamari to extinction? or will he get a second chance like revan did?
     
  2. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    I imagine he'd face war crimes trials.

    The only Dark Jedi we've known convicted of them though was Xecr Nist.
     
  3. Point Given

    Point Given Manager star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    I don't think he'll be redeemed. He's been a Sith for over a hundred years and hasn't shown any inclination so far.
     
  4. snelson

    snelson Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    ajunta pall was a sith for thousands of years and he was redeemed.
     
  5. AcStylesVer1

    AcStylesVer1 Jedi Youngling

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    Ajunta was also a miserable ghost who was wallowing in self pity and disgust which made it easy to be turned back by Revan (a plot point that really, really sucks...after being one of the originators of a cult that has caused so much damage in the Galactic History he gets redeemed by just a stern talking to by a faux Jedi Revan? Lame) Where as Krayt is bit schizo but fully believes in what he's doing and the Sith Order and has no inclination to be redeemed. Moreover CADE isn't someone who'd I see going out of his way to redeem anyone, aside from that he'd be pretty damn arrogant to think HE could redeem a Sith when he almost was one not a few weeks ago in the story and isn't even worthy of being called a Jedi.
     
  6. Sabrajaguar

    Sabrajaguar Jedi Youngling star 4

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    Nono one has ever faced warcrimes in the GFFA.

    They either die before it can happne. Or everyone Just forgives and forgts to make the pain go away.
     
  7. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    Two minor characters did.

    Bevel Lemisk was found guilty, had his execution delayed for his scientific gifts, then was shot by firing squad.

    Grand Admiral Teshik was also executed.

     
  8. Sabrajaguar

    Sabrajaguar Jedi Youngling star 4

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    i seriously doubt krayt will be # 3
     
  9. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    Please, it's not like Krayt is even guilty of anything.

    I mean, if killing Fish heads is a crime then I don't want to be innocent.
     
  10. rumsmuggler

    rumsmuggler Chosen One star 7

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    Kar Vastor was going to face crime against civilization charges, which is more or less the same as war crimes. Whether or not he went to trial or not is anyone's guess.
     
  11. Adam_Bosman

    Adam_Bosman Jedi Knight star 2

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    Dark Lords never face war crimes. Qel Droma, Revan, W.
     
  12. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    Qel Droma was put on trial!

    He just escaped.

    ;-)
     
  13. Manisphere

    Manisphere Jedi Master star 5

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    I just reread Outlander the other day (the first appearance of A'Sharad Hett). The man Krayt started out as was already flirting with the dark side. I don't think Hett was ever as well meaning as Anakin or even Jacen. I just don't get the sense there is much to redeem. And what's in it for the reader for him to be redeemed anyway? To me it's more like wondering about redeeming Sidious as opposed to redeeming Darth Vader or Ulic Qel-Droma.

    I don't see Krayt facing charges. And the guy killed billions. He's gotta go. Even if it's Morrigan Corde who has to do it and not Cade. He's made to go out in a blaze of insanity or Morrigan Corde.;)
     
  14. snelson

    snelson Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    i wonder what ki-adi mundi would do if he saw who hett has become he would probally burst into tears.
     
  15. morrison85

    morrison85 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I don#t think Darth Krayt cn be redeemed after what? 130 years?
     
  16. Vrook_Lamar

    Vrook_Lamar Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Ajunta Pall was only redeemed after experiancing 1000 years in Dark Side Hell, Krayt is currently top dog of the galaxy. Expecting Krayt to be redeemed like Pall would be like expecting a drugy to quit while he was still high.
     
  17. Rouge77

    Rouge77 Jedi Knight star 5

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    Ajunta Pall was redeemed more like after almost 3000 years. (The whole thing kind of reminds me of a legend how one pope, Gregory the Great perhaps, called up and converted to Christianity the soul of the Emperor Trajan, who had died hundreds of years before.[face_thinking])

    Ajunta Pall was probably a first generation Sith, a former Jedi like Krayt. They seem more likely to be redeemed. I don't think that Krayt will be redeemed outright, but he might get an ambiguous death scene where he realises that he has been wrong and feels some remorse. Would that qualify as a redemption is another thing.
     
  18. LastOneStanding

    LastOneStanding Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Well...honestly, I think we all know that Krayt's going to probably end up succumbing to his Vong implants. He'll end up turning into some ravenous beast (as if he isn't already), and Cade will end up taking him down, bringing upon an age of peace that the Star Wars universe has never known...which lasts two seconds. :p
     
  19. Jmacq1

    Jmacq1 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    That'd be what, two thousand percent longer than any other stretch of peace since the Clone Wars? ;)
     
  20. Jedi_Master_Luc

    Jedi_Master_Luc Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Aside from Ulic, there has been no other former Jedi that has been held accountable for their crimes after being "redeemed". Most who have chosen to be "redeemed" have only done so because they're essentially given two choices. Stop or die. And usually, they're backed into a corner and really have no chice BUT to be "redeemed" or die. It's selective justice that makes little to no sense. Force-users, like everyone else, need to be held accountable for their actions. However, if that were the case, a number of "heroes" would have gone down in history as criminals instead of heroes.

    Since they keep doing it though and since the fans dont complain about it too much, i guess SW fans don't like to see villains punished for their crimes. We'd rather believe that everyone is capable of being redeemed. For me, it goes back to "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." They shouldn't get the chance to fool anyone twice. I'm not saying kill them the moment of their betrayal, (if that were the case none of my exes would still be alive! ha!) but at the very least let's get some exile going. Or marooning on a far away world where they can never again influence the galaxy around them. There are many alternatives to execution. It's not all life and death. but some form of punishment should be impemented on ANYONE who violates another's rights.


    Master Luc
     
  21. Jedimarine

    Jedimarine Chosen One star 6

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    He won't be redeemed...at least not long enough for a trial to matter.

    _____

    honestly...I think the possibility of a trial is so absurd to the notion of the fallen, that to see one actually happen would be mocked mercilessly.

    If someone is redeemed, either:

    A) they are going to be so remorseful, that they are going to be nearly suicidal in their willingness to sacrifice themselves to make amends as soon as possible.

    B) A general consensus among those in the "know" (ie, Jedi and Jedi-friend) understand the extreme lengths to which corruption takes a person in the darkside, as well as the enduring pain, guilt, and anguish that redemption heaps upon their shoulders. Thus, they are protected from those (not in the know), because they understand the depths to which retribution is already being paid. (call this the "Kyp Durron Defense")

    Of course, this only reinforces a notion of "Jedi supremacy" and a disregard for the practice of equality in the galaxy...but since properly elected leadership seems to be almost as moot a notion as universal equality before the law, I suppose this doesn't really register as a necessary plot device in a authors mind.

    Never forget that Jedi understand "equality" and "justice" the best of anyone. It's only when the uninitiated stick their nose in things that the Jedi get upset and go darkside, you know.

    [face_laugh]8-}[face_laugh]
     
  22. LastOneStanding

    LastOneStanding Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Exactly...lol.
     
  23. SithStarSlayer

    SithStarSlayer Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Hett embraced the dark side in order to survive.
    There is no way he turns back. That would be weakness in its highest form.
     
  24. The Loyal Imperial

    The Loyal Imperial Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    If he's redeemed.
    If he lives.

    The two biggest "ifs" in Star Wars. :p

    Seriously speaking, while I can see redemption as a very remote possibility, I don't think he'd live. Redemption = Death, or so it appears to go from most of what we've seen in the past. His armor could kill him, Cade could, Roan Fel could, half the galaxy would probably be willing to off him in short order. His chances of survival are extremely slim, as I see it.
     
  25. Rouge77

    Rouge77 Jedi Knight star 5

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    Death tends to be overused. Why not have him redeemed, removed from his armour, put on trial, sentenced and convicted? He could be put in jail or the custody of the Jedi. He's an old man, he wouldn't last many years. I wouldn't mind seeing him live, and to spend his last years in the aforementioned way, full of regret and remorse. It would be a sad ending, but one that I think would fit better in his overall character arc than being cut down in battle with Cade, assassinated by his underlings or tuned into the YV beast.
     
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