If Darth Traya Could Glimpse into the Future, why did she bother to....??

Apparently Darth Traya was able to predict that a Jedi would kill Jango Fett (Mace). If she knew this was going to happen, then why did she bother to do her own plan, if the fact that there was a Jedi long after would mean she would not succeed?

 

She glimpsed a possible future.

 

QFT.

 

She didn't have melange to enhance her ability to see into the future.

 

What was her Awareness attribute check like?

 

It doesn't matter. She rolled a twenty.

 

Darth Traya had a power called: We didn't have time to actually scirpt the ending that we planned so we tried to pull a desparate fallout style cop out where the futures of the various people and places you have visited get their fates revealed, except that unlike in fallout we had actually no real variety in the sides and actions that you could ahve taken so instead of getting and interesting tapestry where often your positive actions came up with horrible negative results and the whole wanton nature of history was revealed in all its caprice you have a bland future prediction that just happens to be rather impressive if it is measured as a force power rather than a plot device.

So in short, Traya coudn't see the future. Even though its not canon I prefer to use whatever ending to KOTOR 2 that I have constructed in my mind, and though I am a little short on the details the body count is pretty high.

 

It was indeed scripted. Here's how it would've gone:

Challenging Kreia:

<Takes place no matter what. Lines involving Mira may not be present, if Mira isn't in the party. Interesting that Bao-Dur may be a Jedi, but he isn't present in any of this. From the note included with the dialogue, before they approach Kreia, the party has a discussion of planning an attack, which shouldn't occur. Takes place right as the Exile enters the Academy.>

[Gameplay Programmer: DO NOT SCRIPT THIS. Kreia is sitting in the middle of the Trayus Core, meditating.]

Mira: (Quietly) I say we fire a rocket at her right now, and blow her screaming, burning body into the heart of this planet.

Atton: It wouldn't work -- if there were other distractions; if she wasn't telepathic, maybe. If you want to kill her like that, you need something else to occupy her attention, otherwise you might just wound her. And then we'd all be in trouble.

Disciple/Handmaiden: This battle will not be decided by weapons.

Visas: You are wrong. Manipulation is Kreia's strength, not battle. We have a chance...we just have to figure out how to make use of it. Let us see what transpires...and plan our attack. [Gameplay Programmer: Pauses, looks around, realizes that Atton is gone.]

[Gameplay Programmer: Fight between Atton and Kreia, short, quick, brutal.]

<Kreia sits back down, if the above occurs. If so, Atton doesn't give his line, nor does she speak to him at the end.>

Mira: (With weapon at the ready) We've come a long way, Kreia...don't bother getting up.

Kreia: (Indulgent, doesn't move) Ah, the huntress. To come alone...you are braver than I thought.

Disciple/Handmaiden: She is not alone. We stand with her. And with her, stand all the Jedi. (Strides in, behind other Jedi, lightsaber raised)

Atton: And now I come in, saying something suitably heroic.

Kreia: (Mild contempt, doesn't even bother getting up) Children with lightsabers... (smiles contemptuously, beat) ...but not Jedi, I think.

Kreia: [Gameplay Programmer: Kreia gets up.] Come close, let me look upon you, and see what the Exile's teaching has forged.

Kreia: [Gameplay Programmer: Looks across the "heroes," camera pans across them -- just do a series of close ups if we have no animated camera] An assassin, a slayer of her own kin, a blinded slave...and a fool. (Indulgent) Which of you wishes to try yourselves against me? As you can see, I am unarmed.

Kreia: <turns to Handmaiden, if Exile is male> You, perhaps? Come, child, where you walk, it is not far from battle, slaughter, and the blood of your sisters.

Kreia: <turns to Disciple, if Exile is female> Come, boy, face me now -- do not make this one of the many battles you have run from.

(Disciple/Handmaiden attacks, Kreia barely moves, deftly avoiding every blow, then gets bored, and grabs the Handmaiden/Disciple by the throat, or in a Force Crush.)

<if Exile male, to Handmaiden> Think. Think before you throw away your life for him. Think of everything you will lose by dying. Your lusts unfulfilled. A dance, unfinished. A love, requited. Think before you give it up so quickly.

<if Exile female, to Disciple> Think. Think before you throw away your life for her. Think of everything you will lose by dying. A love, requited. A hope of another life, beyond the shadow of the Jedi. (Beat before last sentence) Think before you give it up so quickly.

<presumably, the Disciple/Handmaiden collapses at this point>

Kreia: [Gameplay Programmer: Kreia turns to Visas.] And you, blind one, you have hungered to strike me down ever since you saw the bond the Exile and I share.

Visas: Can you feel the Force running through me, even past th

 

Cut content is not canon.
As for Kreia, I think her main motivation was revenge against those who repelled her, Jedi and Sith alike, and the destruction of the Force (which she believed she could perform through Exile) was a last resort measure. Not even a measure, merely a threat, to dictate her own demands to Jedi, Sith and her tool (Exile). Sort of how Paul Atreides used the possibility to destroy melange to dictate his will to the Guild and the Emperor.

 

Now thats just stupid. No offense, but willingly embracing the lesser of two choices because some imaginary ruleset says that you should is a bit .... off. Especially when taken in context of a question like this where the basic question is "why doesn't this make sense?". There is a very simple reason it doesn;t make sense and no amount of pretzel logic is going to come close to the impact of just saying, "the story got screwed by a deadline" it wasn't mean't to be this way.

And forgive me if I go up on a pulpit for a moment here, this applies to not only the positive content that got left out, but the negative content that got left in. To me the prequel trilogy was tantamount to murdering everything that I loved about Starwars. It was like watching a childhood friend die of an extended bout of cancer. So I try not to think about it, I try not to visit it in my mind and I tend to ignore things that come of it because in general they are to borrow a phrase, retarded. Now ever so often something comes around that is excellent, like shatterpoint, I read it I love it and I accept it into the pantheon of works that define my relationship with the canon.

See it is here that we make a mistake. The canon is something that is not defined by the artists that create it, but the critics that judge it. By limiting the "canon" to what is presented to us we allow things in that do nothing but detract from the world around us. Why should Waru have the same level of respect as Nil Spar or Exar Kun? Why should we accept these things as even remotely equivalent? Because one canon supercedes another? Why should a movie that is obviously horrible, badly scripted and acted supported by a bloated special effects budget be considered more canon than moving and interesting works by dozens of authors? All because a man, who in fact didn't really create the starwars we love penned it? NO!

Canon is what we say it is, it is the body of knowledge that is generally accepted as correct and the ideal of its class. The key words being generally accepted. Lucas Arts is not the general public they are the artist. I for one find it heinous that Jango Fett gets to beat out Jaster Mereel in a hideous retconn because GL decided that we needed more Boba Fett.

Good Canon vs. Bad Canon vs. Just Not Canon
The real end to KOTOR 2 vs. the spliced on end vs. waru

Stepping down from the pulpit....

 

Though I respect your personal continuity, that is not the meaning of the word "canon". It is by definition the copyright owners that dictate what is canon and what's not. Many fans do like you and try to ignore the "bad" parts of SW canon, but that point of view has no meaning in a discussion like this. If we are analysing something from an in-universe perspective, we have no choise but to follow the canon policy LFL has stated. Without that any type of debate would be pointless. If you, for example, look around this board you will se that the most heated debates come from people ignoring canon information.


/Charlii

 

Most fans hate bad works more than I do. I am relatively neutral when it actually comes to the bad stuff because I can easily ignore it. That being said I know what fans have taken Canon to mean. I even understand why you would make such a comment here and now. HOwever that being said, its not all that good an Idea to gloss over bad production with in universe justification, it will end up bad no matter how you spin it.