Saga If Mace Survives the Fall, How Does That Change the Rest of Star Wars History?

If Mace Survives the Fall, How Does That Change the Rest of Star Wars History?



Let's say Mace flies out the window but lands on a speeder. If he recovers and gets a prosthetic arm does that change the course of Star Wars history? If so how?

 

At some future time he comes back and he's wearing all white robes.

 

Well, how soon would he be recovering? Enough to warn the temple and form a defense? That might warp some things. But if not, wouldn't he go into exile? Then, if he survives, he might perhaps find Luke's order. For that matter, legends or canon?

 

He will come back to the Jedi Order at the turn of the tide, having learned much that had been forgotten, and forgotten much that he once knew.

 

It doesn't. Even if he is alive, it doesn't affect what happened in the OT or prior to that.

Unless you intended to make this a "what if" thread. In that case, judging by the character we see in the filmsMace would take immediate action against the Empire as soon as possible, unlike Yoda and Obi Wan who bided their time. He doesn't seem like the type who would wait twenty years to try and restore the Republic, and he would probably fail in his attempt to take down Palpatine and Vader.

 

Why would he fail against Vader?

He already single handedly taken down Palpatine. So now he lost one of his hands. If you look at the way Vapaad works, I don't think it emphasizes two handed grips. He'll be fine against Vader or even Palpatine.

 

"Mace Windu the White"

Hmm, for some reason I don't see that working... Can't put my finger on why...

 

He writes a tell all book and gets it published under a pseudonym, Snoke. But not that Snoke.

 

I won't debate about whether Mace actually beat Palpatine during their duel, that topic has been done to death already and there are a number of threads where that is discussed.

However, even if he can beat Palpatine and Vader fair and square, there is the entire Imperial military on Coruscant. Not even Mace can take on an entire military by himself. And I do imagine that in his passion, he would act unilaterally.

 

That was essentially Prince Valorum's arc in the 1974 Star Wars rough draft, and he was meant to be black like Mace.

 

It's incredible that Mace doesn't feature as a ghost in future stories. Logically he should be the first and foremost to acquire this power from Qui Gon.

After all, Anakin receives that power after his death because he belatedly destroyed the Sith, rather than allowing him to destroy his family.

Mace was about to destroy the Sith, and was utterly righteous in his Jedi duty to do so, before he was disarmed and allowed to be destroyed by the Sith that Anakin felt compelled to protect instead at that point. And then Anakin murdered dozens of children. And then he hunted down and killed more Jedi after that, allegedly.

That tears it. I demand that Episode IX irises in on a big group hug of ALL the Jedi who died in the purge. It's the only thing that would make sense. Provided IX resolves the balance of the force issue. Whatever that means.

 

Luke might've had competent training in the OT rather than being stuck with Obi-Wan's lies and a week of running around with Yoda in a backpack.

 

I see Mace turning to darker methods, but not joining the Sith. I think he would have took Anakin's betrayal personally. I could see him revealing what really happened at Palpatine's office and revealing Dath Vader's true identity. After Darth Vader's identity, I could see Obi-Wan attempting to move Luke and the Lars Family to a different location and changing their identities. Luke's training would have started earlier, the Lars family getting into disputes about Luke's training. I could possibly see Mace and Saw Guerrera joining forces and starting to challenge the Empire earlier than the original Cannon. I see Yoda and Mace communicating through the force, Yoda trying to change Mace from this path. I see Mace ferociously trying to encounter Vader and Sidious, eventually Mace getting killed in a suicide mission looking for revenge. The Empire forcing their will on the Galaxy earlier, due to the Senate seperating from the Empire after hearing Mace Windu's story. Clones still being used by the Empire. The Rebellion forming sooner, having all OT characters younger with Yoda and Obi-Wan being more involved in the Rebellion.

 

How do we know he didn't survive...

 

No documentation proving otherwise. Who knows he might be alive.

 

He'd be arrested for exceeding his authority, attempted murder, and treason. A search warrant would turn up the recording of the holo-conference where Mace, with the Jedi Council's assent, plans to overthrow the legally-elected and legally-serving Supreme Chancellor and set the Jedi up as unelected rulers of the Republic for the proverbial "duration of the emergency". Palpatine, under oath at his trial, admits he has Force-related powers, but denies any attempt to destroy or take over the Republic. Ani testifies that he witnessed Mace try to kill Palpatine when he was, apparently, injured and helpless, and how Palpatine was acting in self-defense. A legal expert testifies that, while Grevious was dead, the war and the resulting state of emergency were still in effect, so Palpatine was still able to hold office and emergency powers under the terms of the Senate action granting him said powers. Further, no law specifically prohibiting the study of Sith teachings can be found.

Palpatine is acquitted of exceeding his authority and treason. Mace is convicted of the charges against him. The Senate moves to seriously limit Jedi powers of arrest and search & seizure. The war continues. At a later time, Palpatine engineers the defeat of the Jedi and the takeover of the Republic, with even bigger support from the Senate and the populace.

Basically, the only change is that Palpatine accomplishes his goal later rather than sooner. And maybe more Jedi manage to escape a later-occurring Order 66, since they'd have a better idea of what they were up against. In any case, by the time Mace showed up, the Jedi had already been thoroughly bamboozled and trapped.

 

Or how about this? Mace experiences an epiphany after being defeated by Palpatine, and rather than try to resurrect the old Jedi Order, he starts walking the galaxy and doling out justice on a local level. You know, like some kind of David Carradine.

 

I believe he's still out there. Maybe hiding to show up in the new season of Rebels or in the time between the OT and the ST.

 

It would cheat Anakin's transformation into Vader, and Sidious's power. It's strange enough that Maul survived, we don't need to go through this again. I don't see any benefit retconning his death could bring to Star Wars.

 

Then expect a spin off of his journey after the jedi life.

 

Mace would meet up with Yoda and Obi-Wan, join Yoda in fighting Palpatine and beat him easily. With no one to rescue Anakin from Mustafar, Anakin dies. Peace in the galaxy.

 

He DID survive the fall. We just haven't been told the rest of his story yet.

 

Mace was amped in his fight with Sidious. I don't think he can regain that amplification again after seeing the Order 66 and fall of the Jedi Order and the Republic. Mace was extremely focused because he knew that he could change everything and the course of the history.

But I don't think Mace could do the same, and he couldn't defeat Palpatine again. Even with cybernetic arm, he would have more difficulty to deflect Sidious's Force lightning, he was using the Force to deflect Sidious's lightning not only with his lightsaber, if his hand was cybernetic (which is almost a magnet for lightning) it would be extremely difficult for him to deflect Palpatine's lightning.

So no, he wouldn't be more than Maul or Ahsoka, sure he could do a couple of things but not extremely important things unless he guards the chosen one which Ben Kenobi was doing it already

Pablo.

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